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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It's not illegal, but the GOP just handed the Dems an unbelievable electoral cudgel. What a breathtakingly stupid maneuver.
    Didnt people say that about the govt shutdown, people have short memories this is way to far from the election to matter and has much less actual effect than the shutdown did

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Teddy did it, Nixon did it, Reagan did it. This brand of GOP idiots just made it public.
    The criticism here is going to go right down the party line. I'm fine with trying to undermine an extremely bad idea and you'll go to the mat defending Obama no matter what. Well, he wants to cut Congress out of the loop with his phone and pen, fine, but he really then has no basis to whine about doing and end run around him.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    The criticism here is going to go right down the party line. I'm fine with trying to undermine an extremely bad idea and you'll go to the mat defending Obama no matter what. Well, he wants to cut Congress out of the loop with his phone and pen, fine, but he really then has no basis to whine about doing and end run around him.
    Wrong again.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Didnt people say that about the govt shutdown, people have short memories this is way to far from the election to matter and has much less actual effect than the shutdown did
    I think some believe that making a deal with Iran that supports their ability to develop nukes is a really popular idea in the US. It's not.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It's not illegal, but the GOP just handed the Dems an unbelievable electoral cudgel. What a breathtakingly stupid maneuver.
    The only people I've seen upset about this are liberals (whom I suspect are rather ready for the headlines to shift away from Hillary's email servers)

    But here is the text of the letter:

    It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system. Thus, we are writing to bring to your attention two features of our Constitution—the power to make binding international agreements and the different character of federal offices—which you should seriously consider as negotiations progress.

    First, under our Constitution, while the president negotiates international agreements, Congress plays the significant role of ratifying them. In the case of a treaty, the Senate must ratify it by a two-thirds vote. A so-called congressional-executive agreement requires a majority vote in both the House and the Senate (which, because of procedural rules, effectively means a three-fifths vote in the Senate). Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement.

    Second, the offices of our Constitution have different characteristics. For example, the president may serve only two 4-year terms, whereas senators may serve an unlimited number of 6-year terms. As applied today, for instance, President Obama will leave office in January 2017, while most of us will remain in office well beyond then—perhaps decades.

    What these two constitutional provisions mean is that we will consider any agreement regarding your nuclear-weapons program that is not approved by the Congress as nothing more than an executive agreement between President Obama and Ayatollah Khamenei. The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.

    We hope this letter enriches your knowledge of our constitutional system and promotes mutual understanding and clarity as nuclear negotiations progress.


    Please feel free to point out to us the parts that you feel are particularly controversial.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The only people I've seen upset about this are liberals (whom I suspect are rather ready for the headlines to shift away from Hillary's email servers)

    But here is the text of the letter:

    It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system. Thus, we are writing to bring to your attention two features of our Constitution—the power to make binding international agreements and the different character of federal offices—which you should seriously consider as negotiations progress.

    First, under our Constitution, while the president negotiates international agreements, Congress plays the significant role of ratifying them. In the case of a treaty, the Senate must ratify it by a two-thirds vote. A so-called congressional-executive agreement requires a majority vote in both the House and the Senate (which, because of procedural rules, effectively means a three-fifths vote in the Senate). Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement.

    Second, the offices of our Constitution have different characteristics. For example, the president may serve only two 4-year terms, whereas senators may serve an unlimited number of 6-year terms. As applied today, for instance, President Obama will leave office in January 2017, while most of us will remain in office well beyond then—perhaps decades.

    What these two constitutional provisions mean is that we will consider any agreement regarding your nuclear-weapons program that is not approved by the Congress as nothing more than an executive agreement between President Obama and Ayatollah Khamenei. The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.

    We hope this letter enriches your knowledge of our constitutional system and promotes mutual understanding and clarity as nuclear negotiations progress.


    Please feel free to point out to us the parts that you feel are particularly controversial.
    1. Yes, shockingly enough, conservatives are not upset, since they hate Obama on an almost subatomic level.

    2. The fact that the letter even exists is the most controversial thing. The intent is clear.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Could you please quote their mistake?
    Failure to march lockstep with Obama.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    They stopped short of any legal violation of the law. But what they did was certainly a serious and even radical departure from the traditional support for the nations foreign policy as it has been carried out over the last few centuries. The blatant disrespect some of the right wing GOP has for our President is beyond disgusting. One can exercise their opposition rights in a responsible manner that would not have been as blatant as this.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The only people I've seen upset about this are liberals (whom I suspect are rather ready for the headlines to shift away from Hillary's email servers)

    But here is the text of the letter:

    It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system. Thus, we are writing to bring to your attention two features of our Constitution—the power to make binding international agreements and the different character of federal offices—which you should seriously consider as negotiations progress.

    First, under our Constitution, while the president negotiates international agreements, Congress plays the significant role of ratifying them. In the case of a treaty, the Senate must ratify it by a two-thirds vote. A so-called congressional-executive agreement requires a majority vote in both the House and the Senate (which, because of procedural rules, effectively means a three-fifths vote in the Senate). Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement.

    Second, the offices of our Constitution have different characteristics. For example, the president may serve only two 4-year terms, whereas senators may serve an unlimited number of 6-year terms. As applied today, for instance, President Obama will leave office in January 2017, while most of us will remain in office well beyond then—perhaps decades.

    What these two constitutional provisions mean is that we will consider any agreement regarding your nuclear-weapons program that is not approved by the Congress as nothing more than an executive agreement between President Obama and Ayatollah Khamenei. The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.

    We hope this letter enriches your knowledge of our constitutional system and promotes mutual understanding and clarity as nuclear negotiations progress.


    Please feel free to point out to us the parts that you feel are particularly controversial.

    You didn't think he would actually come up with anything from what was written, did you CPW?

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. Yes, shockingly enough, conservatives are not upset, since they hate Obama on an almost subatomic level.

    2. The fact that the letter even exists is the most controversial thing. The intent is clear.
    Look at those goalposts run!!! You said the letter itself got it wrong. Ok, so where is it wrong?

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