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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Senators and Congressmen act in the best interest of the people they represent (theoretically). They do not have to act in Obama's best interest, not are they subservient to the executive branch.
    Unfortunately, it really doesn't seem like they were doing that in this instance. They were working in the interest of their party and their own power, not the good of the nation. I don't inherently have a problem with members of the legislature taking a role in foreign discussions, but if they're going to do it, they should do it for the right reasons, rather than just to continue their partisan attacks against Obama and the Democrats.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Unfortunately, it really doesn't seem like they were doing that in this instance. They were working in the interest of their party and their own power, not the good of the nation. I don't inherently have a problem with members of the legislature taking a role in foreign discussions, but if they're going to do it, they should do it for the right reasons, rather than just to continue their partisan attacks against Obama and the Democrats.
    I suspect socialists believe ANYTHING the GOP politicians do is for the good of their party and not the Nation so I don't find this criticism of yours to have much merit. anything that opposes obama-to me-is generally for the good of the nation



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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Some GOP members are saying it was a bad idea now to sent the letter to Iran. I wonder why ?


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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by oncewas View Post
    Some GOP members are saying it was a bad idea now to sent the letter to Iran. I wonder why ?
    Precisely what I was going to say. If it was such a bold maneuver that was really speaking for the American people against the tyranny of Obummer, then why are so many GOPers walking it back?

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I suspect socialists believe ANYTHING the GOP politicians do is for the good of their party and not the Nation so I don't find this criticism of yours to have much merit. anything that opposes obama-to me-is generally for the good of the nation
    Anyone who doesn't think ANYTHING party operatives, which includes sitting legislators, do isn't for the good of their party is delusional. Of course this was a party-before-country move.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Treasonous? No.

    Moronic? Yes.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I think you give Senate Republicans who signed this letter to Iran too much leeway. As duly elected officials, unless they sit on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, none outside that body should have any dealings with a foreign government or dignitary. Their job is to see to domestic affairs per Art I of the Constitution. They should have left foreign affairs of this type (i.e., treaty negotiations) to the Executive. So, with this and Zyphlin's post #100 in mind, if after the President presents his treaty bill to the Senate and they disagree with the framework of said treaty after having had the opportunity to review it, then they can vote it down. But this "preemptive strike" against what is clearly the President's enumerated power to make treaties with foreign governments the question needs to be asked: Now who's over-stepping their constitutional powers and authority?
    By using the format of an open letter, they have not directly contacted any Iranian officials, and have side-stepped prosecution via the Logan Act, and have protection from the First Amendment. Nor have they interfered with negotiations by formatting the letter as a clarification of a legal procedure, rather than a recommendation to the Iranian government.

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    The SCOTUS disagrees: "Not only . . . is the federal power over external affairs in origin and essential character different from that over internal affairs, but participation in the exercise of the power is significantly limited. In this vast external realm, with its important, complicated, delicate and manifold problems, the President alone has the power to speak or listen as a representative of the nation. He makes treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate; but he alone negotiates. Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude; and Congress itself is powerless to invade it."{emphasis added} United States v Curtiss-Wright Exp Corp, 299 US 304, 319; 57 S Ct 216, 220; 81 L Ed 255 (1936))
    See above. They have not overtly interfered, contacted a foreign representative, or done anything that can be seen as interference in Obama's nuclear negotiations. Whatever your opinion, they have crafted the letter superbly to avoid any legal allegations of wrongdoing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Unfortunately, it really doesn't seem like they were doing that in this instance. They were working in the interest of their party and their own power, not the good of the nation. I don't inherently have a problem with members of the legislature taking a role in foreign discussions, but if they're going to do it, they should do it for the right reasons, rather than just to continue their partisan attacks against Obama and the Democrats.
    They probably believe opposition to Obama on general principal is in the best interest of their constituents.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    They probably believe opposition to Obama on general principal is in the best interest of their constituents.
    Well, partisan nonsense is not a good reason for anyone to be saying anything with regard to foreign relations. We should keep our politics at home, and other countries should keep their politics out of ours.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Well, partisan nonsense is not a good reason for anyone to be saying anything with regard to foreign relations. We should keep our politics at home, and other countries should keep their politics out of ours.
    I can't disagree with you there.
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