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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Then he should have quoted what he wanted to quote instead of quoting something which did not say what he wanted to criticize.

    That is his problem - not mine.
    You're the only one who didn't understand it or saw it as any kind of a problem.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You're the only one who didn't understand it or saw it as any kind of a problem.
    DO NOT reproduce a quote from somebody and rip into them for saying something they DID NOT say in that quote but which was said elsewhere when you did not reproduce that in your post.

    Pretty simple and pretty common sense.

    Yes - this is a sore point for me because year after year I get increasingly angry that people claim I said certain things but they cannot produce the quote which says so. In this case , it would have been rather simple for the poster to produce the correct words they wanted to criticize - but they did not.

    Yes - maybe I feel this issue more than most and am a stickler for it. Mea culpa.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    There is no such crime as “treason against Obama”. Treason is the only crime that is actually defined as such in the Constitution itself. Nothing about the Senators having signed this letter has anything whatsoever to do with the definition of treason.

    Now, Obama, on the other hand, has use the power of his office to take the side of invading foreign criminals, against that of this country and its people. That does meet the definition of treason, and if this nation truly cared about the rule of law, he would be removed from office, tried, and either put in prison for a very, very, very long time, or else be put to death.
    Wow. That long, huh?
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by oncewas View Post
    Things are being done in the House and Senate that's never been done before now. Should the Senators that sent the letter to Iran, be punished for this acted against Obama, and the country?
    False, nothing the Senate did was new.

    The left needs to learn what treason is. Opposing Obama is not treason. Aid and comfort to Iran might be, though.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    "treason against obama"?


    how does that work again?
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post


    An excellent question since you quoted a post THAT DID NOT HAVE THE PHRASE "TREASON AGAINST OBAMA" IN IT!!!!!

    But why should that stop you?

    here it is right from your post
    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Read the thread title, bro.


    Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?


    /facepalm
    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It doesn't need the exact phrase since it's part of a thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    read your own post - bro - and the quote from a person who YOU ripped into who never said what you accused them of --- bro.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    quoting somebody and then ridiculing them for something they did say is engaging in fraud and a falsehood.

    Defending them is even worse.

    But hey - this is politics here on the site so what else is to be expected from the usual suspects?
    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    apparently you wish to make yourself look foolish in order to pick a fight with me.

    I quoted the opening post, the thread starter who titled his thread. "did the gop senators commit a treason act against obama and the country?".


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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Psssst, look at the thread title and the precise question being asked.
    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I see. So you think someone other than the OP titled this thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    foolish is quoting a post which said nothing about treason against obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The person in question DID NOT quote the thread title in the post I was replying to. That is the point.
    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Rev was addressing the actual question asked (and it's upon that question which the poll and entire thread is based) and he quoted the guy who asked that question.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All you had to do was quote the part you intended to quote which was the thread title - but instead you reproduced a different quote which did not say what you wanted it to say. The fault was not mine in pointing out what you had done.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The person he quoted was the person who started this thread

    This threads title, created by the person he quoted, is "did GOP senators commit a treason act against Obama and the Country?"

    The poll on this thread, created by the person he quoted, is "Did the GOP commit a treason acted, against Obama and the country?"

    The poster who's OP rev quoted also voted "yes" in his poll asking if the GOP committed a treasonous act against Obama and the country.

    So yes, contrary to your claim that he "NEVER said" what Rev sugggested he claimed, the person he quoted absolutely did say it. They didn't say it in their POST, but they did say it via their thread title and poll that were attached to the OP he quoted.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Then he should have quoted that line in his post. He DID NOT do so and was thus left open for the justifiable criticism.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Then he should have quoted what he wanted to quote instead of quoting something which did not say what he wanted to criticize.

    That is his problem - not mine.
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    You're the only one who didn't understand it or saw it as any kind of a problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    DO NOT reproduce a quote from somebody and rip into them for saying something they DID NOT say in that quote but which was said elsewhere when you did not reproduce that in your post.

    Pretty simple and pretty common sense.

    Yes - this is a sore point for me because year after year I get increasingly angry that people claim I said certain things but they cannot produce the quote which says so. In this case , it would have been rather simple for the poster to produce the correct words they wanted to criticize - but they did not.

    Yes - maybe I feel this issue more than most and am a stickler for it. Mea culpa.
    Really? It's such a common practice to quote the OP in order to address something in particular about their thread, yet this is the first time I've seen you make an issue of it (despite repeated explanation). Is it really what was said that bothered you or who it was that said it?

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Really? It's such a common practice to quote the OP in order to address something in particular about their thread, yet this is the first time I've seen you make an issue of it (despite repeated explanation). Is it really what was said that bothered you or who it was that said it?
    If it brings forth the issue of producing the right quote in your post - I am happy to take the heat for this.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It's not illegal, but the GOP just handed the Dems an unbelievable electoral cudgel. What a breathtakingly stupid maneuver.
    You believe standing up for America give the democrats an advantange?

    Interesting perspective.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You can put the word "may" on anything you want.
    I use words like may because it's the most accurate non-partisan word to use in this case. It's not definite or likely that a court would find essentially the entire majority party guilty of a crime. But it is not impossible nor unlikely that that they violated the law. By any honest reading, the GoP could be indited but conviction is questionable.

    So how likely do you think it is that the GoP violated the law?

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    The letter to Iran is not without precedent.

    Jim Wright, the Democratic House speaker during Ronald Reagan's presidency, was accused of interfering when he met with opposing leaders in Nicaragua's contra war. Three House Democrats went to Iraq in 2002 before President George W. Bush's invasion to try to head off war. And Nancy Pelosi, the House Democratic leader, went to Syria in 2007 to meet with President Bashar al-Assad against the wishes of the Bush administration, which was trying to isolate him. - See more at: MSNBC Falsely Claims No 'Precedent' for Congress Defying President on Foreign Policy
    Despite the networks’ eagerness to tout Democratic opposition to the GOP letter, on two separate occasions the “big three” completely ignored a letter penned by former Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) written to the Soviet Union in 1983 aimed at undermining President Ronald Reagan’s nuclear negotiations with the Communist regime. - See more at: Flashback: Big Three Ignored Ted Kennedy.
    So there you have it. Democrats in congress interjected themselves into foreign policy matters with foreign leaders in Nicaragua, Syria and Russia during nuclear arms negotiations. If Obama would put down the pen and phone and work with congress now that it's under republican control, extrodenary measures like the letter to Iran wouldn't be necessary but he'd rather cut a deal without congressional approval which is favorable to Iran and which fits into his pro Muslim world view.
    Nice try, but I don't think the above quite measures up to what this group of 47 Republican Senators have done.

    For starters, none of the negotiations referenced above had anything to do with a peaceful arms reduction deal between either former President Reagan or GW Bush. Furthermore, the letter Sen. Kennedy wrote to the Russian government while Reagan was in office had far more to do with undermining his re-election efforts than interfering with his nuclear weapons reductions negotiations. Jim Wright's meeting with opposition leaders in the lead up to what would become the Iran/Contra Affair had nothing to do with him attempting to thwart an arms deal. It was more along the lines of a "fact-finding mission" akin to what Republicans are currently doing with Hillary over Libya.

    The correlations you've attempted to make aren't nearly the same.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Nice try, but I don't think the above quite measures up to what this group of 47 Republican Senators have done.

    For starters, none of the negotiations referenced above had anything to do with a peaceful arms reduction deal between either former President Reagan or GW Bush. Furthermore, the letter Sen. Kennedy wrote to the Russian government while Reagan was in office had far more to do with undermining his re-election efforts than interfering with his nuclear weapons reductions negotiations. Jim Wright's meeting with opposition leaders in the lead up to what would become the Iran/Contra Affair had nothing to do with him attempting to thwart an arms deal. It was more along the lines of a "fact-finding mission" akin to what Republicans are currently doing with Hillary over Libya.

    The correlations you've attempted to make aren't nearly the same.
    A valiant attempt at misdirection. Failed but valiant. At issue is wether congress has a place inserting itself into foreign affairs. Clearly there is evidence that they have. In addition, the treaty clause in the constitution states, "[The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur..." Therefore, congress has a rightful place in the negotiations with Iran which Obama has taken on unilaterally.
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