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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    read your own post - bro - and the quote from a person who YOU ripped into who never said what you accused them of --- bro.


    apparently you wish to make yourself look foolish in order to pick a fight with me.

    I quoted the opening post, the thread starter who titled his thread. "did the gop senators commit a treason act against obama and the country?".


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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Senators and Congressmen act in the best interest of the people they represent (theoretically). They do not have to act in Obama's best interest, not are they subservient to the executive branch.
    I think you give Senate Republicans who signed this letter to Iran too much leeway. As duly elected officials, unless they sit on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, none outside that body should have any dealings with a foreign government or dignitary. Their job is to see to domestic affairs per Art I of the Constitution. They should have left foreign affairs of this type (i.e., treaty negotiations) to the Executive. So, with this and Zyphlin's post #100 in mind, if after the President presents his treaty bill to the Senate and they disagree with the framework of said treaty after having had the opportunity to review it, then they can vote it down. But this "preemptive strike" against what is clearly the President's enumerated power to make treaties with foreign governments the question needs to be asked: Now who's over-stepping their constitutional powers and authority?
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I have but one question on this matter:
    It's not a treaty that is being negotiated.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    quoting somebody and then ridiculing them for something they did say is engaging in fraud and a falsehood.

    Defending them is even worse.

    But hey - this is politics here on the site so what else is to be expected from the usual suspects?
    Fortunately you're not the judge around here, the mods are, so run along.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by oncewas View Post
    Things are being done in the House and Senate that's never been done before now. Should the Senators that sent the letter to Iran, be punished for this acted against Obama, and the country?

    Liberals like to bring this up anytime it is mentioned Obama or any other pro-illegal is committing treason against the country for flooding the country with illegals.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii
    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Maybe you need to review Xfactors link, and educate yourself on the matter.
    Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The only people I've seen upset about this are liberals (whom I suspect are rather ready for the headlines to shift away from Hillary's email servers)

    But here is the text of the letter:

    It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system. Thus, we are writing to bring to your attention two features of our Constitution—the power to make binding international agreements and the different character of federal offices—which you should seriously consider as negotiations progress.

    First, under our Constitution, while the president negotiates international agreements, Congress plays the significant role of ratifying them. In the case of a treaty, the Senate must ratify it by a two-thirds vote. A so-called congressional-executive agreement requires a majority vote in both the House and the Senate (which, because of procedural rules, effectively means a three-fifths vote in the Senate). Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement.

    Second, the offices of our Constitution have different characteristics. For example, the president may serve only two 4-year terms, whereas senators may serve an unlimited number of 6-year terms. As applied today, for instance, President Obama will leave office in January 2017, while most of us will remain in office well beyond then—perhaps decades.

    What these two constitutional provisions mean is that we will consider any agreement regarding your nuclear-weapons program that is not approved by the Congress as nothing more than an executive agreement between President Obama and Ayatollah Khamenei. The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.

    We hope this letter enriches your knowledge of our constitutional system and promotes mutual understanding and clarity as nuclear negotiations progress.


    Please feel free to point out to us the parts that you feel are particularly controversial.
    How about ALL OF IT!

    I seriously doubt Senate Republicans would have tolerated this behavior from Senate Democrats when Reagan was in treaty negotiations with Gorbachev. This is clearly an attempt to undermine Pres. Obama's negotiations w/Iran. The GOP Senators who signed their name to this letter should be ashamed.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post


    An excellent question since you quoted a post THAT DID NOT HAVE THE PHRASE "TREASON AGAINST OBAMA" IN IT!!!!!

    But why should that stop you?

    here it is right from your post
    Psssst, look at the thread title and the precise question being asked.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    read your own post - bro - and the quote from a person who YOU ripped into who never said what you accused them of --- bro.
    I see. So you think someone other than the OP titled this thread.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The only people I've seen upset about this are liberals (whom I suspect are rather ready for the headlines to shift away from Hillary's email servers)

    But here is the text of the letter:

    It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system. Thus, we are writing to bring to your attention two features of our Constitution—the power to make binding international agreements and the different character of federal offices—which you should seriously consider as negotiations progress.

    First, under our Constitution, while the president negotiates international agreements, Congress plays the significant role of ratifying them. In the case of a treaty, the Senate must ratify it by a two-thirds vote. A so-called congressional-executive agreement requires a majority vote in both the House and the Senate (which, because of procedural rules, effectively means a three-fifths vote in the Senate). Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement.

    Second, the offices of our Constitution have different characteristics. For example, the president may serve only two 4-year terms, whereas senators may serve an unlimited number of 6-year terms. As applied today, for instance, President Obama will leave office in January 2017, while most of us will remain in office well beyond then—perhaps decades.

    What these two constitutional provisions mean is that we will consider any agreement regarding your nuclear-weapons program that is not approved by the Congress as nothing more than an executive agreement between President Obama and Ayatollah Khamenei. The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.

    We hope this letter enriches your knowledge of our constitutional system and promotes mutual understanding and clarity as nuclear negotiations progress.


    Please feel free to point out to us the parts that you feel are particularly controversial.
    IF I were any civilized nation , particularly Iran, I'd be highly offended and disrespected by this letter.
    Talk about being "talked down upon", or patronized" !
    Was it that new Congressman, Cotton, who wrote it ??
    And he is an "educated" man ???
    Where is the Respectful Troll, C., now that the GOP needs him ?

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