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Thread: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't think what they did was terribly professional. But I also don't think that what they did was illegal. And it most definitely does not qualify as an "act of treason".
    It's everything you said, and, it's very embarrassing. In fact America is showing the world just how polarized we are. And that's not great for confidence or security.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Right, no nutjobs on the left. Like it or not, those people were elected just as the president was. You're saying it's ok to just bypass whoever disagrees with you? Remember you said that because you better be consistent about it. Your unwavering loyalty to Obama and the Democrats is admirable, I suppose.
    I am saying that the president regardless of party negotiates agreements with foreign powers regularly and there is nothing unusual about this. I am not a big fan of Obama and I don't think he has been a good president in regards to foreign policy. Just the same, what the Republicans did in writing a letter to Iran certainly doesn't help things either.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
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    And this is a common deflection when it's been pointed out to someone that they lack outrage when it's done by someone on their "side" and just looking at your first line, your kneejerk reaction was, in essence, "it's not the same thing".
    So tell us your opinion then - is the example brought up by the other poster to me - in your opinion - the same level of what was done here with the Republican Senators signing that letter?
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by oncewas View Post
    Things are being done in the House and Senate that's never been done before now. Should the Senators that sent the letter to Iran, be punished for this acted against Obama, and the country?
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    I have but one question on this matter:

    Per the U.S. Constitution, who has the enumerated power to make treaties with a foreign country?
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    They stopped short of any legal violation of the law. But what they did was certainly a serious and even radical departure from the traditional support for the nations foreign policy as it has been carried out over the last few centuries. The blatant disrespect some of the right wing GOP has for our President is beyond disgusting. One can exercise their opposition rights in a responsible manner that would not have been as blatant as this.
    Maybe you need to review Xfactors link, and educate yourself on the matter.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Tell us, if you will, what your opinion of the congressional delegation headed by Nancy Pelosi to go see President Assad to relieve pressure being placed on him by the Bush Administration while he was still aiding in the killing of American servicemembers, secretly attempting to develop nuclear weaponry, and supporting global terrorist organizations was? How full of "blatant disrespect" or "disgusting" would you find those actions?
    Somewhere I remember a guy named Murtha showing somewhere in a foreign land to speak out against Bush. This thread proves beyond a shadow of a doubt the disingenousness, short memory and hypocrisy of the Left. Had Reid retained control of the Senate, it's doubtful this thread or issue would be of any concern.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yeah, yeah, the usual "traitor" crap.

    By no reasonable definition do illegal immigrants constitute an invading army or an enemy. But please, continue to piss into the wind. It's amusing.

    The problem with executive amnesty is that the Constitution specifically assigns matter of immigration to the legislative branch, not the executive. Regardless of how anyone feels about immigration, legal or otherwise, this is a power grab that needs to be checked.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, I think Pelosi's actions are atrocious, abusive, and enabled someone who was killing American soldiers, sailors, and Marines, while the Republicans actions simply informed the Iranian leadership about US Constitutional order.

    But both would count as the Legislature inserting itself into the foreign policy debate in a way that (broadly) opposed the intents of the Executive (in Bush's example the intent to put pressure on Assad to get him to stop, in Obama's example the intent to be able to wave a piece of paper and declare Peace In Our Time), which is what seems to be so incensing you .



    So... basically.... no. You are unable to either admit that your own "team" has done far worse, or admit your hypocrisy, and so you choose to try to ignore. How astonishing .
    What I am fed up with the the BS. Both from politicians who play fast and loose with the truth with their ultimate goal being political gain and those here who defend them because they are on their "side".

    Arguing with you about your own hyper partisan response is like trying to grow an apple tree in the Sahara desert. Its pointless.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I have but one question on this matter:
    It is a power enumerated to the President under the Article 2, Clause 2 (Advise and Consent Clause), that allows the President to make a treaty with a foreign country PROVIDED two-thirds of the Senate concurs.

    So it's an enumerated power to the President, with a specifically listed caveat that said enumerated power can only be acted upon with consent by the Senate.

    Here's the actual text for you:

    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;
    Without formal "advice and consent" from the Senate, which requires a two-thirds vote, the President can not enter into any official Treaty. He may enter into an executive agreement, similar to what Teddy Roosevelt did with Santo Domingo, but as Teddy noted:

    The Constitution did not explicitly give me power to bring about the necessary agreement with Santo Domingo. But the Constitution did not forbid my doing what I did. I put the agreement into effect, and I continued its execution for two years before the Senate acted; and I would have continued it until the end of my term, if necessary, without any action by Congress. But it was far preferable that there should be action by Congress, so that we might be proceeding under a treaty which was the law of the land and not merely by a direction of the Chief Executive which would lapse when that particular executive left office. I therefore did my best to get the Senate to ratify what I had done

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