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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Assad is only marginally better than ISIS. The dictator's false claims of secularism aside, the only thing that really separates the regime from ISIS, and thus causes many in the West to support the former, is that Assad speaks English, is well-groomed and wears a suit, while ISIS is a bunch of screaming bearded fanatics. From any moral standpoint, however, they aren't much different. Under ISIS, the will of the state is enforced by the roaming Hizbuh religious police, and those who violate ISIS' version of Islam or dissent are punished via death and torture. Under Assad, the will of the state is enforced by Shabiha thugs and the mukhabarat, and those who dissent against the regime are punished via death and torture - it's been documented by the UN, human rights groups, and defectors (via photographs) that the regime has tortured perhaps thousands to death. Both groups use indiscriminate warfare against their enemies, and it's a safe bet that Assad has killed more civilians than ISIS has. Both groups have committed sectarian violence, with the Shabiha and NDF targeting Sunnis and ISIS targeting non-Sunnis.

    Assad also happened to support al-Qaeda in Iraq when we were there, and only now is his cavalier attitude towards the jihadist movement coming to bite him in the ass. His brutal occupation of Lebanon happened to go unnoticed by almost everyone who took the time to cry foul when Israel unintentionally killed civilians in its war against Hezbollah.

    Finally, "Assad vs. ISIS" is the definition of a false dilemma. Why should we have to choose between a fascist dictatorship and a Wahhabi caliphate when there are plenty of other options available? While it's improbable that any Syrian rebel faction is secular by Western standards, not every Islamist in Syria is of the same caliber as ISIS or even al-Nusra. The YPG Kurds are both secular and democratic (Assad is neither).
    When Israel unintentionally killed civilians, lol!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    yes. we should be prodding Saudi Arabia to police its own neighborhood.
    I agree with every post you've made in this thread so far.

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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Between Assad and ISIS? Assad. Between Assad, ISIS, and some "other", I would say that other being a transitional government between Assad and the National Coordination Committee/National Coordination Body leading to free and open elections in Syrian Arab Army liberated areas.
    Yeah, that's not happening. Assad fought this war to maintain power. Do you really think he'd just submit to elections that he could lose after the conflict is over? He'd just end up being more of an Iranian stooge than he was previously.

    "Liberated" is the exact wrong word to use. I, for example, wouldn't consider Poland to have been liberated from Nazi control by Stalin.
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    When Israel unintentionally killed civilians, lol!!
    Do you have anything to say about Assad's murder of Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in Lebanon? How about his backing of sectarian and neo-Nazi political parties in said country? He and Hezbollah have both wreaked havoc upon Lebanon that the most ardent Arab-hating Israeli nationalist could only dream of.
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    a very clear question to (particularly )right wingers who hate islamists but keep ignoring the US government's great role in allowing isis to gain power in Syria
    Lol...whatever.

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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wrong! When the US decides that some "evil" (whatever that truly is) must be gone, the replacement tends to be worse. Besides looking about the planet deciding what government must be gone isn't your role in life, nor is it that of the US governments, despite it's behavior.
    What does it have to do with the US?
    Assad is evil by every human standard, he's been gassing his own people on the streets.
    If you don't find him evil it's due to your ridiculously immoral standards and due to the fact that you yourself are a promoter of evil.
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Saudi kings are never better than Assad
    As a matter of fact, I am not of that opinion. They are certainly and probably sorrowfully not democrats, but they have not yet gassed their own population as the Assad dynasty has nor mowed down demonstrators. Till they do, they are not as bad.

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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    I do not think that there would be a coalition effort if only the two options were available. My position is: Neither.
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    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    What does it have to do with the US?
    Assad is evil by every human standard, he's been gassing his own people on the streets.
    If you don't find him evil it's due to your ridiculously immoral standards and due to the fact that you yourself are a promoter of evil.
    Or just a pro-Russian nationalist pretending to be an American. You know, like "Salt," have you seen Salt with Angelina Jolie? The Russian agent is sent to grow from childhood and pretend to be American but always works against it from within.
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Or just a pro-Russian nationalist pretending to be an American. You know, like "Salt," have you seen Salt with Angelina Jolie? The Russian agent is sent to grow from childhood and pretend to be American but always works against it from within.
    That movie sucked.
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