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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That both must go to hell.
    That I can understand.

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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
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    I just think what's happening over there is a mystery to most of us.

    Is Turkey going to capitulate?

    .turkey will capitulate to whom ? Turkey has been playing the other great role in this war game but I dont know for now what it will lead to in long term but I can say turkey is being pushed into a trouble with islamists no matter what kind of alliance we are in with them or US
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    .turkey will capitulate to whom ? Turkey has been playing the other great role in this war game but I dont know for now what it will lead to in long term but I can say turkey is being pushed into a trouble with islamists no matter what kind of alliance we are in with them or US
    To ISIS. I hear that ISIS want to occupy Turkey next.

    And yes, as with you initial question, it's a conundrum regarding who to support.
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
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    I just think what's happening over there is a mystery to most of us.

    Is Turkey going to capitulate?
    Anyone going to meet up with ISIS is already using Turkey as their roadway.

    Turkey is the path of least resistance.
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Bashar al-Assad was (is) only an issue for the US because of whom he primarily aligns himself with. Russia. There is a history there between Syria and Russia going back long enough involving everything from weapons to energy, so far back that we have several instances of Russia using their UN Security Council position to obstruct resolutions concerning Syria (namely the force the Syrian government uses against opposition, that goes back to before the civil war and is a reason of many for it starting in the first place.) France, the UK, Germany, US, Italy and others have all wanted stronger actions against the Syrian government for years now, and it speaks volumes as to why the US took such an awkward role today. Think how the US protects Israel, similar story with how Russia protects Syria.

    It points to right back to our long term hypocritical and confusing foreign policy.

    As an example we overlook the power the Saudi Arabian government use against their opposition over the years but look at Syria as a problem for taking similar action. Exclusively because with Syria there is little in it for the US, or most European countries, for looking the other way. If Syria was to the US what they are to Russia, I guarantee we would be arming the Syrian government to the teeth against their various opposition in this multiple way long term civil war.

    The truth is al-Assad in power in Syria is far better than ISIS being in control in any sense, but the question is inherently flawed. The US is responsible for ISIS but not because of Syria, but because of how we left Iraq behind. A weakened government and an even weaker military power allowed ISIS to capitalize, a military in Iraq especially that dropped their US issued weapons and ran like hell back to Baghdad at the first sight of ISIS leaving the Kurds to defend themselves (as usual.)

    ISIS is a development of pure opportunity and it took both al-Assad unable to control his own population resulting in faction civil war *and* the US for allowing Iraq to become an even bigger political fiasco by removing Saddam Hussein and installing pure weakness. The US has plenty of culpability, but we are not the only ones responsible for ISIS being able to capitalize.
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Both situations are consequences of our involvement in Iraq.

    The best we can hope to achieve is to learn the lesson of unintended consequences and avoid such entanglements in the future.

    That said, Assad is a manageable player. I'm not aware of any realistic replacements. His family has been running the show there for nearly 50 years.

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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The subject of the Syrian civil war is not for the West to decide regardless.
    It can send aid to one side or the other but it doesn't involve itself directly with it.
    you are not being objective on this
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    To ISIS. I hear that ISIS want to occupy Turkey next.

    And yes, as with you initial question, it's a conundrum regarding who to support.
    .))....
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    a very clear question to (particularly )right wingers who hate islamists but keep ignoring the US government's great role in allowing isis to gain power in Syria
    I don't care. We defeat one Islamist and another takes it's place.At least one or two of our middle eastern allies does the same **** ISIS does which executes homosexuals, stone women for adultery and other non-crimes.Heck most of them want their own Islamic state. I do not think we should be in the picking and choosing which Islamist are are in power.So the regional powers need to solve this not us.
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Of course, we should not be leading and deploying. But we should be organizing and assisting. We should have the UN involved and preparing for massive police action there.
    I don't think we should be even doing that much. ISIS is not a threat to us and our record when it comes to intervening in the Middle East doesn't inspire a whole lot of confidence.
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