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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But not to mine, see?
    I don't see how your point is valid -- my point trumps your point as any poll made by NATO of people under threat of violence if they do not answer a certain way undermines any 70% number you've provided, as was the oppression under Saddam when 100% of Iraqi's favored his rule. Therefore, your point is invalid. See?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I don't see how your point is valid -- my point trumps your point as any poll made by NATO of people under threat of violence if they do not answer a certain way undermines any 70% number you've provided, as was the oppression under Saddam when 100% of Iraqi's favored his rule. Therefore, your point is invalid. See?
    No, I don't. You're pretending that life for Iraqi and Syrian civilians has improved with US and other interference. But they don't think so, and they'd gladly have the stability of then over the insecurity of now. And from the comfort of your home, you presume to know what's better for them. No surprise though, it's this type of thinking that supports policies that have a stated purpose as opposed to a genuine one.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, I don't. You're pretending that life for Iraqi and Syrian civilians has improved with US and other interference.
    I've actually said nothing about Iraqi or Syrian civilian improvements - so you're incorrect and using a strawman as clearly my point is very specific. Oppressed people will not tell the truth especially when that oppression is life threatening. Do you have a NATO poll that address oppression and the % of people who will knowingly forfeit their lives for such a poll? I'm thinking not....
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Iran is a good example of how our foreign policy fails in nation building. The Shaw was an American puppet. I believe that he was installed by Eisenhower, although I may be wrong about that. He remained in power until the Carter administration. To stay in power we paid the Mullahs annually so they would not oppose him. Carter opposed this and believed that the Mullahs were men of faith who would lead the country in a Godly manner if they took power so he ended payments to them. The Shaw was a moderate Persian, allowing women to dress as they wished an d become as educated as they wanted. The Mullahs took him out and installed strict Muslim rule removing a ruler who was very friendly to the west.

    We are much better off letting the people decide their own destinies.
    Iran was a secular democracy untill 1954 when we overthrew it, had we not installed the shah Islamists would never have come to power, they never enjoyed majority support under Mossadegh and the fact that they still have the rig elections would suggest that they still dont to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Iran was a secular democracy untill 1954 when we overthrew it, had we not installed the shah Islamists would never have come to power, they never enjoyed majority support under Mossadegh and the fact that they still have the rig elections would suggest that they still dont to this day.
    You've just made the point about why it's futile to try to install democracy in a country which doesn't have the ethical foundation to put power into the hands of the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    You've just made the point about why it's futile to try to install democracy in a country which doesn't have the ethical foundation to put power into the hands of the people.
    But we didnt install democracy, we overthrew it, had we installed democracy secular nationalists like Mosadegh would have come to power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I've actually said nothing about Iraqi or Syrian civilian improvements - so you're incorrect and using a strawman as clearly my point is very specific. Oppressed people will not tell the truth especially when that oppression is life threatening. Do you have a NATO poll that address oppression and the % of people who will knowingly forfeit their lives for such a poll? I'm thinking not....
    I posted the NATO report that would support the notion that Syrians prefer the Assad they know to the Islamic State they don't. Besides your unsupported opinion on this, what are you posting?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's true. But I was taking issue with your comment that Israel unintentionally targets civilians. In the same Lebanon, in 2006, they destroyed thousands of civilian apartments, killed 1,200 civilians, created another 3/4 of a million refugees, bombed bridges, dams, airports, roadways, and in so doing, destroyed 3 billion dollars worth of non military civilian infrastructure.
    How many times greater damage would you say that the Assad regime has inflicted on its subjects to maintain power? 100 times? 200? Obviously, what Israel did in Lebanon and what Assad is doing in Syria must be assessed on their own merits (or lack thereof), but I find it odd that many of those who make haste to condemn Israel for relatively precise warfare are seemingly fine with the brutality of Arab dictators.
    At any rate, Assad in Syria is preferred to an Islamic State in Syria.
    That's not the only option. ISIS has plenty of enemies in Syria that also detest Assad. ISIS made itself into a counterrevolutionary group before the revolution even finished, wantonly assaulting rebel-held territory and assassinating commanders. The best way to discredit ISIS is to strengthen the opposition to Assad that rejects the caliphate's legitimacy and brutality.
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    How many times greater damage would you say that the Assad regime has inflicted on its subjects to maintain power? 100 times? 200? Obviously, what Israel did in Lebanon and what Assad is doing in Syria must be assessed on their own merits (or lack thereof), but I find it odd that many of those who make haste to condemn Israel for relatively precise warfare are seemingly fine with the brutality of Arab dictators.


    That's not the only option. ISIS has plenty of enemies in Syria that also detest Assad. ISIS made itself into a counterrevolutionary group before the revolution even finished, wantonly assaulting rebel-held territory and assassinating commanders. The best way to discredit ISIS is to strengthen the opposition to Assad that rejects the caliphate's legitimacy and brutality.
    Sorry Mad, but I'm not "fine" with Arab dictators. It's just that the alternatives have been no improvement. And Israel's "relatively precise warfare" destroyed hundreds of civilian homes and killed more civilians. Precision targeting.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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