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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, I see. And I believe that's what you folks do. Syria isn't your business. British imperialism in earnest, ended sometime ago, thankfully. Nobody holds president Assad up as any sort of model. Syria was however in far better shape when he had full control, than it is now. And this was a NATO report, not just any old poll. Decades of US/UK intervention, interference, nation building, regime change and exploitation have netted a Middle East in complete chaos. Maybe I'm old fashion, but I don't prefer chaos to containment.
    Well like i was just saying to sawdust if anything our involvement in the region is more characterized the imposition and support of dictatorships against democracy rather then visa versa (and we are seeing the fruits of this policy in Iran*). And the UK (alongside France and the US) has been at the forefront of this for its own economic and percived geostrategic interests. On the contrary what you are arguing is an extention of the old colonialist argument that brown people cannot be trusted to vote and that we need to keep them inline.


    *Not that Iran is, for the most part, Arab, just a pertinient example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Torn apart by civil war? That's weird, in the last elections 'president' al-Assad got 88.7% of the votes. So he says anyway.
    Read what you actually quoted. I said, you can have no sense of legitimacy of elections in a country torn apart as Syria is presently.
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I agree with that, sort of. I'm all for power to the people but I'm not for forcing power on the people which is what our efforts at nation building have been. If they want a tyrant, let them have one. If they want to overthrow the tyrant, let them try. In the end, just as in this country, we all get the government we deserve.
    I think the bloody civil war they have been fighting against him would suggest that they don't him. Least of all the Kurds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well like i was just saying to sawdust if anything our involvement in the region is more characterized the imposition and support of dictatorships against democracy rather then visa versa (and we are seeing the fruits of this policy in Iran*). And the UK (alongside France and the US) has been at the forefront of this for its own economic and percived geostrategic interests. On the contrary what you are arguing is an extention of the old colonialist argument that brown people cannot be trusted to vote and that we need to keep them inline.


    *Not that Iran is, for the most part, Arab, just a pertinient example.
    Wtf. I believe that what I'm arguing is that Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi nor Assad gave any quarters to the very radical elements of the Islamic State that have blossomed in the power vacuums created by their removal. Nothing more.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    a very clear question to (particularly )right wingers who hate islamists but keep ignoring the US government's great role in allowing isis to gain power in Syria
    I am a right winger that 100% agrees with your statement. Assad hates terrorists as much as I do. We should be giving him weapons to kill ISIS and Al Qaeda! Not allowing Obama to arm Al Qaeda-affiliated rebels.

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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Read what you actually quoted. I said, you can have no sense of legitimacy of elections in a country torn apart as Syria is presently.
    Which is exactly why I said what I said genius. Syria is torn apart, yet 88.7% of the votes went to Assad. Quite a contradiction there. But hell no it cannot be that the elections were rigged by the brutal dictator with the 14 year old mustache.

    And that's not even the good part:

    Syria calls in North Korea to monitor its presidential election
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wtf. I believe that what I'm arguing is that Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi nor Assad gave any quarters to the very radical elements of the Islamic State that have blossomed in the power vacuums created by their removal. Nothing more.
    Exactly right. This is why the U.S. government wants to get rid of them. Terrorists are the U.S. Defense contractor's best friend and a stable government that makes slow in-roads to improving the society is not what neocons want.
    Trump Attacked A Syrian Airfield. Trump will be a one-term president.

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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Which is exactly why I said what I said genius. Syria is torn apart, yet 88.7% of the votes went to Assad. Quite a contradiction there. But hell no it cannot be that the elections were rigged by the brutal dictator with the 14 year old mustache.

    And that's not even the good part:

    Syria calls in North Korea to monitor its presidential election
    I think the N.Koreans would be less biased than our own government watchers.
    Trump Attacked A Syrian Airfield. Trump will be a one-term president.

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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well like i was just saying to sawdust if anything our involvement in the region is more characterized the imposition and support of dictatorships against democracy rather then visa versa (and we are seeing the fruits of this policy in Iran*). And the UK (alongside France and the US) has been at the forefront of this for its own economic and percived geostrategic interests. On the contrary what you are arguing is an extention of the old colonialist argument that brown people cannot be trusted to vote and that we need to keep them inline.


    *Not that Iran is, for the most part, Arab, just a pertinient example.
    Iran is a good example of how our foreign policy fails in nation building. The Shaw was an American puppet. I believe that he was installed by Eisenhower, although I may be wrong about that. He remained in power until the Carter administration. To stay in power we paid the Mullahs annually so they would not oppose him. Carter opposed this and believed that the Mullahs were men of faith who would lead the country in a Godly manner if they took power so he ended payments to them. The Shaw was a moderate Persian, allowing women to dress as they wished an d become as educated as they wanted. The Mullahs took him out and installed strict Muslim rule removing a ruler who was very friendly to the west.

    We are much better off letting the people decide their own destinies.
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    Re: Assad or ISIS ?

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    I think the N.Koreans would be less biased than our own government watchers.
    And I believe you have the right to say stupid things.
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

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