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    Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved? Assume that all black Americans in the country today were the descendants of people who willingly immigrated to the United States under various conditions (some came b/c of war back home, others wanted a new experiences, etc.).

    We obviously cannot answer this question definitively, but I would like people's thoughts on the matter regardless. Responding with "we can never really know", "there's just too many factors to come up with an answer" or similarly defeatist answers is not welcomed in this thread. This is a thought experiment, not a dissertation defense.

    So, again, given the narratives you use to explain racial inequality, your perceptions of black Americans and other factors, where do you think that the black population in the United States would be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?* Would they have the same employment, education, crime and other rates as White Americans? Would they be in the same position they are in now?

    *Note : I realize that not every black American in the United States is a descendant of slaves. This question addresses the ones that are. I hope that takes care of all the red herrings.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Change Other to "Still in Africa" and you would have a winner.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Change Other to "Still in Africa" and you would have a winner.
    Clever? But from the OP : "Assume that all black Americans in the country today were the descendants of people who willingly immigrated to the United States under various conditions (some came b/c of war back home, others wanted a new experiences, etc.)."

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?
    Assume that all black Americans in the country today were the descendants of people who willingly immigrated to the United States under various conditions (some came b/c of war back home, others wanted a new experiences, etc.).

    We obviously cannot answer this question definitively, but I would like people's thoughts on the matter regardless. Responding with "we can never really know", "there's just too many factors to come up with an answer" or similarly defeatist answers is not welcomed in this thread. This is a thought experiment, not a dissertation defense.

    So, again, given the narratives you use to explain racial inequality, your perceptions of black Americans and other factors, where do you think that the black population in the United States would be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?* Would they have the same employment, education, crime and other rates as White Americans? Would they be in the same position they are in now?

    *Note : I realize that not every black American in the United States is a descendant of slaves. This question addresses the ones that are. I hope that takes care of all the red herrings.


    I suppose they would be in Africa.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Clever? But from the OP : "Assume that all black Americans in the country today were the descendants of people who willingly immigrated to the United States under various conditions (some came b/c of war back home, others wanted a new experiences, etc.)."
    They wouldn't have been welcomed and they would have returned to Africa. They would be Africa-Africans.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Impossible to say, because how would the Africans be now if there would never have been colonial forces robbing them blind?
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    To me, it depends on the individual drive to succeed. Had x amount of people come here under the same, or similar, circumstances, some would have made it while others would have not. We see descendents of slaves excel, while those who are not have used, and are using, the dire circumstances of others as an excuse for their lack of drive and personal failures.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Clever? But from the OP : "Assume that all black Americans in the country today were the descendants of people who willingly immigrated to the United States under various conditions (some came b/c of war back home, others wanted a new experiences, etc.)."
    Silly thought experiment (impossible to answer). They would be in Africa still, materially worse off than they are now of course, that's the reality, if not for slavery. They wouldn't have immigrated to a society of European colonists.

    I can see what you're doing, though. Another copout for AA and similar.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    The African Americans would be much worse off. They live in a superpower thanks to slavery. How many Africans would move from America to Africa? Not many I bet. So is America really so bad?

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    I apologize in advance.

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