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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I'm surprised at this.

    There is lots of evidence of cities, kingdoms and cultures which were deliberately destroyed when western explorers and military convoys arrived. Dar es Salaam is an old city and it like other ports in what is now Mozambique were destroyed and buildings flattened by Portuguese men-o-war. There are records of traders going back as far as the 12th century going to the old civilisation of Great Zimbabwe - there used to be a trade route which was eventually killed off by the Portuguese destruction of ports and trading centres on the coast.

    Destroy the history and physical civilisation and you end with the popular belief Africa has always been a mess. If you look however, you find some interesting ancient buildings, castles and cities which show otherwise.

    Chinese pottery has been found in the ruins of great Zimbabwe and other empires - trade that goes earlier beyond white travelers who might be given the credit for introducing it
    Na its always been a mess. Few written languages, some places hadn't discovered the wheel until it was introduced there in the 19th century. Many still believe things like ebola are caused by witchcraft, some think chants make them bulletproof, and some think raping a baby cures aids.

    I'd call it a mess.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    The overwhelming majority of them wouldn't exist. A specific sperm had to come together with a specific egg at a specific time for YOU to be produced. Change even a small thing in history and poof, you don't exist. Now change something HUGE like the slave trade, and hell, many white people today probably wouldn't exist. It would be a whole other set of people.

    Had it not been for the Holocaust I personally wouldn't exist. That doesn't make the Holocaust a positive.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Na its always been a mess. Few written languages, some places hadn't discovered the wheel until it was introduced there in the 19th century. Many still believe things like ebola are caused by witchcraft, some think chants make them bulletproof, and some think raping a baby cures aids.

    I'd call it a mess.
    You need to provide a source for everything in this post ^.

    Please note that there are crazy people in every race, but you are suggesting that these practices existed on a large scale. - If any of them existed at all, that is.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Thank you for making this thread! I am actually starting to write a science-fiction novel based on this very idea! So it will give me a lot to work with. The general idea I have is, that the majority of Africans stayed in Africa. They built up their defenses and civilized the continent. This led to a booming population and whites becoming a minority. The Africans are still quite totalitarian but have remained strictly isolationists because they are proud of their culture and don't feel the need to mess with others. Since the West is limited due to the slave trade never existing, and dominated by Chinese, French, and Irish. It is very scared of Africa's power. There is a twist in my book where the North is bombed and radiation makes it unlivable from Northern Virginia upwards. During the second World War, which still happens in their past, but slightly different. So the South is now called the United Southern States and are actually quite friendly with the Africans because Africans don't like dealing with Europe anymore than the South does. Though no African in their right minds would venture far from their shores and would not step foot into America. Racism is rampant throughout the world and whites are called pinkskins!

    I'm still working out the kinks but it's going somewhere, and I don't think anything like this has been published yet. If anybody knows of any novels like this or about this topic. I would love to check it out. I hope everyone likes my idea. Will be keeping an eye on this thread.
    Yuo need to come up with a way to kill disease spreading insects or your novel will be unbelievable.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    You need to provide a source for everything in this post ^.

    Please note that there are crazy people in every race, but you are suggesting that these practices existed on a large scale. - If any of them existed at all, that is.
    These are facts. Readily obtainable. If you dont know them, I suggest you spend some time on google and get educated.
    And on the large scale-its a mess-its africa.

    And spare me the liberal compulsion to say there are crazy people everywhere-we are talking about africa.

    The wheel was barely used, with the exception of Ethiopia and Somalia, in Sub-Saharan Africa well into the 19th century but this changed with the arrival of the Europeans.[12][13]
    Wheel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Writing systems of Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Virgin cleansing myth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Do You Believe In African Bullet Proof? - Culture (1) - Nigeria

    West Africans Blame Ebola Outbreak on Witchcraft – Kenyans Flee Border With Uganda | The Gateway Pundit

    And just the other day on liveleak I saw a pig in africa eating a stillborn baby, and dragging it through the streets.

    Its probably the most backwards place on earth.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Yuo need to come up with a way to kill disease spreading insects or your novel will be unbelievable.
    Why would you say that?
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Why would you say that?
    Why would I say that the number one killer on the continent that foiled all efforts in most areas at European colnialism would need to be eradicated before they could have a thriving post-modern civilization?




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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Yuo need to come up with a way to kill disease spreading insects or your novel will be unbelievable.
    Chemicals that were effective against malaria in africa were sharply curtailed because of American leftists, its estimated up to 20 million have died. They still lose over a million a year there.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Why would I say that the number one killer on the continent that foiled all efforts in most areas at European colnialism would need to be eradicated before they could have a thriving post-modern civilization?

    Well that's easily done anyway, It has scifi elements. Maybe the disease reverses itself or maybe it somehow effects the West instead of Africa. It may be a blurb or something in there but not central to the story.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    These are facts. Readily obtainable. If you dont know them, I suggest you spend some time on google and get educated.
    And on the large scale-its a mess-its africa.

    And spare me the liberal compulsion to say there are crazy people everywhere-we are talking about africa.
    Nothing you said is backed by any of your links.

    The wheel was barely used, with the exception of Ethiopia and Somalia, in Sub-Saharan Africa well into the 19th century but this changed with the arrival of the Europeans.[12][13]
    Wheel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Right, barely used - is not synonymous with not discovered.

    Remember that's what you said, Did you forget -

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    some places hadn't discovered the wheel until it was introduced there in the 19th century.
    Quite the contrary, barely used - means that it was used but barely. Is English your first language?

    So that's one BS claim you made dismissed.

    What from your initial posts does this link prove?
    From your own source.

    Accounts of the belief are reported from sub-Saharan Africa, Asia, Europe and the Americas
    However, it is unknown exactly how common the myth is and to what degree rapes happen because of the belief in it.
    So we have established that the only thing you are good at is mining for links that you think support your claims, but actually don't.

    How intriguing.

    A forum? That's your source?
    This is the equivalent of me quoting from stormfront to prove that all whites are disgruntled angry racists.

    Though I speculate that you have an account on that site so I doubt you would have any qualms with me quoting from there.
    From your own source:

    SOME locals believe the recent Ebola deaths were caused by witchcraft.
    I'm just loving your dishonesty. Are you seriously trying to implicate that the choices made by a few in one country - not even the entire country, somehow reflect that of an entire continent?

    Jesus Christ. Lol That's some serious fallacy.
    And just the other day on liveleak I saw a pig in africa eating a stillborn baby, and dragging it through the streets.
    Ok. What's your point? You made the claim that the Entire continent of Africa has always been a mess and then in an attempt to desperately try to substantiate that ridiculous claim you offered nothing but isolated Incidences. Nothing that would suggest that Africa is comprised of witch craft, baby raping, Neanderthals like you are trying to insist.

    I'm sorry - you're going to have to try harder than that.
    Its probably the most backwards place on earth.
    you still have not proven this claim.
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