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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Ah, so black people should be grateful that their ancestors were subjected to brutal slavery that resulted in beating, rape, murder and other heinous crimes against humanity because now they get to have Big Macs. Awesome.
    It's funny. The guy you responded to is one of the biggest America bashers here. Normally, you and he would have a lot in common.

    I'm joking, but I do see it as an interesting tell that the most positive thing you can think of in being an American citizen is the Big Macs.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's funny. The guy you responded to is one of the biggest America bashers here. Normally, you and he would have a lot in common.

    I'm joking, but I do see it as an interesting tell that the most positive thing you can think of in being an American citizen is the Big Macs.
    It's a more interesting tell that you think my comment about Big Macs was me relaying the most positive thing I think of when it comes to being an American citizen rather than a dismissive comment aimed at another comment that I obviously considered egregiously stupid. If nothing else, I enjoy seeing how your reductive, distorted negative perception of me influences your interpretation of my otherwise innocuous comments.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Ask an Irishman.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Ahhh!!! Wall Street!!! Interesting! The old LAH LAH GOLDBAR crowd of Greenspan and Robert Rubin!


    This is what you call "baffle em with BS."


    Yep, that Wall Street crowd is known for it. Yep, that whole Goldman Sachs "LAH LAH GOLDBAR" crowd baffled the whole world with that MBS BS. Made themselves rich while the whole financial system went down. Bonds and options! Yep, it makes total sense.
    These sections show MORE completely Irrational responses/Issues.
    This really is Totally Crazy behavior showing not only a Chip on your shoulder, but a Boulder.
    Yes more (to be kind) "Kooky" 'response'.
    OFF THE WALL.

    My short bio was for showing math capability in response to Your previous Wrong Attack on 'remedial algebra' etc.
    Get some help.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mild Steel

    As I have said before, the dates that your Wall Street approved historians
    are []CONJECTURE[/b] and are highly controversial. AS AN EXAMPLE, consider the clown Michael Witzel, who is one of your "esteemed" historians that comes up with these "baffle em with BS" dates. Since you love wiki, here's a snippet from an entry on the Vedas wrt dating
    Again this this is OFF the Wall.
    My Source in my last was Subhamoy Das, an Indian Hindu Expert, Summarizing the mainstream work of Historians and Indologists on about.com, NOT 'Michael Witzel.


    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel
    So this clown Michael Witzel is considered to be a so called expert at dating the Vedas and is one of the people who these makes these dates that YOU love to reference. Well guess what? He is considered a fool and a clown by Sanskrit scholars in India. Here's what happened when he recently went to India and presented his bull****:

    Michael Witzel: rattled rat at IIC
    Kwazy Strawman.
    I didn't use Michael Witzel.
    Then, in Desperation obscura, you put/SCRAPE up two links/posts from "Yahoo Groups" (which don't really contain anything) as your 'expert testimony.'
    Bucket of Cold Water please!


    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel
    So the point is that not everyone accepts those garbage dates that you put forward. It is no more than the conjecture of morons.
    "The POINT is" my dates are MAINSTREAM/Consensus Views of Experts, not 'Wall Street approved' ones. I really don't think 'Wall Street' has a view on the dating of the Upanishads.
    Oh My!


    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel

    mbig: The Jews were an UNKNOWN, UNFORMED, People until almost 2000 Years AFTER my Documented claims of the Mesopotamians and Egyptians"

    So what? I said they derived knowledge from India, nothing more.
    Yes, your link Claimed that, But I posted Facts that Contra-indicate that. The ones you Dishonestly truncated.

    Your posts show some Serious Issues and go well beyond 'excitability'!
    They are Not Coherent or Sober enough To debate.

    In any case, this issue of the dating the Upanishads is Way past over. You Lost in a Landslide.
    B-bye.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    A modern day Robert Gayre no doubt
    Yep. Some things never change.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    My short bio was for showing math capability in response to Your previous Wrong Attack on 'remedial algebra' etc.
    I know. I was just saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Again this this is OFF the Wall.
    My Source in my last was [u]Subhamoy Das, an Indian Hindu Expert, Summarizing the mainstream work of Historians and Indologists on about.com, NOT 'Michael Witzel
    ....
    Kwazy Strawman.
    I didn't use Michael Witzel.
    First of all although Subhamoy Das has done research on Hinduism and Indology, he is not an Indologist or a historian, and as such he did not come up with the dates that he quotes.

    Subhamoy Das is a former journalist and communications professional based in India.
    Subhamoy Das, Guide to Hinduism on About.com

    Second of all, Witzel is one of the "mainstream" Indologists and historians that come up with the dates that people like Subhamoy das quote. So yeah, although the article may have been written by Subhamoy das, he is using dates from morons like Witzel.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    "The POINT is" my dates are MAINSTREAM/Consensus Views of Experts
    Yeah, Michael Witzel is part of that so called "mainstream" of morons.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    not 'Wall Street approved' ones. I really don't think 'Wall Street' has a view on the dating of the Upanishads.
    I was being somewhat dysphemistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    In any case, this issue of the dating the Upanishads is Way past over. You Lost in a Landslide.
    B-bye.
    Yes, it is indeed over. Like I said, you don't know where numbers come from.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Yep. Some things never change.
    I read back a lot further after this thread and re-read Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, a man whose works have influenced many of those idolised by many posters on Debate Politics - the number of people who

    1) think Africans didn't use any form of technology before white colonialists arrived
    2) Africans didn't build any permanent structures till taught how or made to by white colonialists
    3) Africans didn't use number before Egyptians scrawled their first hieroglyphics
    4) Africans didn't write numbers down (the various bones discovered have numerals inscribed / written / marked on them)
    5) think Africans pre-colonialism weren't aware of any land beyond black Africa before being enslaved and taken to Europe and the Americas

    It's just staggering.

    An oral tradition of recording number / history / culture such as found in Africa means there is little evidence left of that tradition. The Upanishads are a written record of oral tradition and it is highly ignorant to then record the existence of a tradition from when it is formally recorded - that simply ignores the centuries where the tradition has been developed.

    The paper I showed earlier in this thread examines the base 12 number system found in many different remote parts of Africa today - a number system that has survived the introduction of the decimal system by western culture. Those traditions are long standing and go way back beyond the Egyptians, Mesopotamians / Sumerians.

    I even had to ask myself why someone couldn't cogitate that writing numbers down is still writing but then I remember there is an agenda or history to be found - an agenda that ironically ignores the works of people like Marianne Schmidl and owes more instead to the writings of Hegel.

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