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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    You need to ask the same questions about the Irish.

    The Irish Slave Trade

    We got over it.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Most African slaves that came to the U.S. were taken from Senegambia (now Senegal and Gambia), and Angola.

    I suppose had they not been taken to the U.S., their descendants would still be inhabiting nations that are caught in the usual post-colonial sociopolitical and economic problems. It's not like those who weren't taken had such a wonderful time under English and French rule.

    So the short answer is... most were screwed either way. Either they were shipped to the Americas to be slaves or they were enslaved domestically, or at the very least suffered harsh and brutal laws which reduced them to sub-humans.

    If instead your question is, what would've happened had the transatlantic slave trade never happened, and Europe didn't colonize Africa... we would probably have a continent with extremely rich, diverse, unique and wise traditions that were still in tact. Much like the loss of the Mayans, Inca, Olmec, etc... we have lost unique knowledge from the ethnosphere that we will never get back, likely including some pretty profound stuff that could've shaped the destiny of humanity to be better than the deteriorating systems we now have. It's true that there were still regional conflicts and rivalries, and yes different tribes enslaved one another too, but Europe pretty much screwed over the planet because of the sheer scale of its operations. We still haven't recovered from it, and colonialism is still happening even now.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Then we have to count in the Lebombo bone, 43,000 years old or the Ishango bone 6500BC to 9000BC. Use of number dating South Africa and Congo - both sub-saharan Africa. The black ones you think belong on a bell curve.
    I note you post No link for these.
    Why?
    Because Wiki and other sources will tell you they are "Disputed" even as Counting devices: ie, identical Hash-marks, NOT "numbers"
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by spangledbanner View Post
    I have Irish blood actually. Tyson is a name on my family tree.
    So I can say whatever I want about the Irish.


    Try going to some taverns with lots of Irish customers and repeating some of the things that you've said about the Irish on this forum.

    I predict that you won't like the results.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    Sigmund Freud once said the Irish were immune to psychoanalysis. Allegedly.
    (: Yeah. Have you seen The Departed. That movie is awesome.

    Apparently the claim comes from Anthony Burgess.

    So. You want to have sex with me now right?

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Try going to some taverns with lots of Irish customers and repeating some of the things that you've said about the Irish on this forum.

    I predict that you won't like the results.
    I can call Irish people the N word right? That makes sense doesnt it?



    edit- And what the hell is a tavern anyway? Us Aussie Irish drink at pubs.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by spangledbanner View Post
    I can call Irish people the N word right? That makes sense doesnt it?



    edit- And what the hell is a tavern anyway? Us Aussie Irish drink at pubs.
    "Tavern" is, if not synonymous with "Pub", very similar.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Opposition leader Tony Abbott has come under fire for telling an Irish joke during a recent speech.

    Speaking to the Liberal Party faithful on June 25, Mr Abbott said that the Gillard Government “was a bit like the Irishman who lost 10 pounds betting on the Grand National and then lost 20 pounds on the action replay”.
    Joke on Abbott as Irish gag reaps criticism*|*Irish Echo

    HAA!!

    Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?-mr-abbotts-remark-has-been-called-ill-judged-jpg

    See a good Irish jokes pokes fun at how stupid Irish people are. I didnt make the rules.

    In my opinion some of these so-called Irish people that do not come from Ireland are very precious.

    And Irish Echo? Australias Irish newspaper? HA! What do they want? Affirmative Action for Australian-Irish? We are over 10% of the population you know. They have an ad for a Sinead Oconner concert. HA!

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Excuse me, I deleted most of your Mindblowing/Self-conscious, IRRELEVANT, Baffle-em-with-BS, "a + b = c" foot-long reply.
    Well excuse me for blowing you little mind. I suppose remedial algebra is a bit hard for some to comprehend.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    The First use of Numbers was by Mesopotamians and Egyptians. Simply Cited and Linked in my last response to you.
    The problem with your little post is that you have based the age of the Upanishads on the conjecture of Europeans, some of whom were thoroughly ignorant about such concepts as the age of the Earth. The Upanishads are from an oral tradition that precedes your little date for the primitive counting on bones.

    Here's something of interest for you. Jyotish shastra is part of the Vedic knowledge and is very old. The use of numbers for calculations and planetary positions was already highly advanced at the time of your PRIMITIVE "bone counting."

    India has left a universal legacy determining for instance the dates of solstices, as noted by 18th century French astronomer Jean-Claude Bailly (1736–93) 18th century French astronomer and politician. His works on astronomy and on the history of science (notably the Essai sur la théorie des satellites de Jupiter and History of Astronomy) were distinguished both for scientific interest and literary elegance and earned him membership in the French Academy, the Academy of Sciences, and the Academy of Inscriptions. Bailly, who was guillotined during the French Revolution, maintained that the Brahmins of India had been tutors of the Greeks and, through them, of Europe.

    Jean-Claude Bailly said:

    " The motion of the stars calculated by the Hindus before some 4500 years vary not even a single minute from the tables of Cassine and Meyer (used in the 19-th century). The Indian tables give the same annual variation of the moon as the discovered by Tycho Brahe - a variation unknown to the school of Alexandria and also to the Arabs who followed the calculations of the school... The Hindu systems of astronomy are by far the oldest and that from which the Egyptians, Greek, Romans and - even the Jews derived from the Hindus their knowledge."
    WOW!!! DID YOU HEAR THAT???? EVEN THE JEWS GOT THEIR KNOWLEDGE FROM INDIA!!!!

    Here's more

    The paper of John Playfair (1748-1819) (FRS and Professor of Mathematics at the University of Edinburgh) is a detailed review (published in 1790) of the book 'Traite de ';astronomie Indienne et Orientale,' by J. S. Bailly (Paris 1787), the famous French historian of astronomy. Taken as if by surprise by Bailly's rather positive evaluation of the origin, antiquity and achievements of Indian astronomy, Playfair states that: "I entered on the study of that work, not without a portion of skepticism....The result was, an entire conviction of the accuracy of the one, and of the solidity of the other.' Both Bailly's book and Playfair's article examine in detail some of the astronomical tables (based on Indian astronomy) that the French had procured from Siam (Thailand), Playfair's main conclusions are the following:

    1. The observations on which the astronomy of India is founded, were made more than three thousand years before the Christian era; and in particular, the places of the sun and the moon, at the beginning of the Kali-yoga/Calyougham (i.e., 17/18 February 3102 B.C.), were determined by actual observation.

    2. Though the astronomy which is now in the hands of the Brahmins, is so ancient in its origin, yet it contains many rules and tables that are of later construction.

    3. The basis of the four systems of astronomical tables which we have examined, is evidently the same.

    4. The construction of these tables implies a great knowledge of geometry, arithmetic, and even of the theoretical part of astronomy.

    Playfair argues that 'communication is more likely to have gone from India to Greece, than in the opposite direction."
    WOW!!! Did you hear that? MORE THAN THREE THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE THE CHRISTIAN ERA!!! That would mean that at the time of your primitive "bone counting", India was making advanced observations and calculations that required the use of numbers.

    Simply put, so as not to blow your mind this time, YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE NUMBERS COME FROM. Get it?

    Astronomy

    I apologize in advance for deleting the rest of your ignorant post.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    "Tavern" is, if not synonymous with "Pub", very similar.
    Sounds kind of fancy. And what is a bar?

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