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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Perhaps, but there are two kinds of assumptions: reasonable ones, and badly flawed ones. This is the latter...
    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Yet important information is lacking from that hypothetical, such as:
    The reason for their immigration to the USA (War in home area? Better prospects in USA?)
    How they were treated after immigrating to the USA (was there still racism and bigotry? Discrimination, legal or illegal? Was there a civil rights movement? If so, or if not, was it necessary?).
    What culture they brought with them, how it affected US culture, if at all, how they integrated into the US culture, etc. Does this hypothetical USA even resemble our current USA?

    It's in no way a simple "well what if the people enslaved and brought to the USA voluntarily immigrated" question.
    Fair enough points.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Well, first there wouldn't nearly be as many. Figure around the same level as Asians, what is that, five percent? Second, they'd remain segregated much like all ethnic groups are with outliers here and there which have been anglicized but by and far they'd be set up in little enclaves catering to their own populations and their best and brightest contributing to the greater society. Third, they'd have far less political sway as their would be no liberal, guilt-ridden "do-gooders" handing them the farm in welfare and other subsidies. They'd have a "communidad" type outlook, much like Africans have today, where the children are the village's responsibility and the family unit, and extended tribe are an innate part of their being.

    Race relations would be better as no one could remind the other of "Who owned who" and there would be no righteous indignation that comes from having your identity and culture torn from you. There'd be no race pimps screaming about what the White Man did to them (which wasn't actually done to them) because they'd understand that each person is responsible for their own actions and that what men who were white did to black people 150 or so years ago is not indicative of the White Man. Just as gang banging drug-dealers who are black men in no way are indicative of who the Black Man is.


    Who is the Black Man is the question the black men and women need to figure out. As I said before their identity, heritage, culture was taken away from them.

    Slavery, inequality, and discrimination is their identity, heritage, and culture. It's all they know, it's all they have. That's why so many of them can't let it go. Those that do, those that decided for themselves that they will be the authors of their destiny, that they will be the creators of their culture, of their identity, those are the one's who have become and will become successful. Unfortunately many of them don't feel it necessary to be pillars of their community, figuring they've pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps and others should as well.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Good

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    Excuse me, I deleted most of your Mindblowing/Self-conscious, IRRELEVANT, Baffle-em-with-BS, "a + b = c" foot-long reply.

    The First use of Numbers was by Mesopotamians and Egyptians. Simply Cited and Linked in my last response to you.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064402957
    "Calculus" (250 BC) Is NOT "First use of Numbers" Either. It POST-dates that use/my source by 3000 Years.
    Bad try.


    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos
    Quote Originally Posted by mbig
    What?
    Numbers may have started in Egypt, a mixed, not sub-saharan culture --
    And which continent is Egypt in? The general slant of what I said was writing and numbers developed in (guess where?) ..............
    The CONTEXT of this string is "BLACK", "Slave-Taken", Subsaharan, Africa, which does Not include Egypt. That's how/why I Qualified my answer, while Conceding the obvious, Egypt was in Africa. No need to repeat what we agreed on, but which I Contexted/Qualified for This string.

    You also 'Short-quoted' me leaving Off your now Missing/Lost claim for "writing".
    OOOPS!
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    One thing that's great about them is that they're not you.
    I have Irish blood actually. Tyson is a name on my family tree. So I can say whatever I want about the Irish.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Ah, if you could only have the pleasure of telling all that crap to this Irish-American.

    This Irish-Australian isnt scared Boston Strong.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You seem nice.
    Im just kidding. God.

    Where I am from most people have Irish blood. Irish-Catholic. I do.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Excuse me, I deleted most of your Mindblowing/Self-conscious, IRRELEVANT, Baffle-em-with-BS, "a + b = c" foot-long reply.

    The First use of Numbers was by Mesopotamians and Egyptians. Simply Cited and Linked in my last response to you.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064402957
    "Calculus" (250 BC) Is NOT "First use of Numbers" Either. It POST-dates that use/my source by 3000 Years.
    Bad try.


    The CONTEXT of this string is "BLACK", "Slave-Taken", Subsaharan, Africa, which does Not include Egypt. That's how/why I Qualified my answer, while Conceding the obvious, Egypt was in Africa. No need to repeat what we agreed on, but which I Contexted/Qualified for This string.

    You also 'Short-quoted' me leaving Off your now Missing/Lost claim for "writing".
    OOOPS!
    Then we have to count in the Lebombo bone, 43,000 years old or the Ishango bone 6500BC to 9000BC. Use of number dating South Africa and Congo - both sub-saharan Africa. The black ones you think belong on a bell curve.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by spangledbanner View Post
    And what exactly is so great about the Irish again?
    Sigmund Freud once said the Irish were immune to psychoanalysis. Allegedly.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved? Assume that all black Americans in the country today were the descendants of people who willingly immigrated to the United States under various conditions (some came b/c of war back home, others wanted a new experiences, etc.).

    We obviously cannot answer this question definitively, but I would like people's thoughts on the matter regardless. Responding with "we can never really know", "there's just too many factors to come up with an answer" or similarly defeatist answers is not welcomed in this thread. This is a thought experiment, not a dissertation defense.

    So, again, given the narratives you use to explain racial inequality, your perceptions of black Americans and other factors, where do you think that the black population in the United States would be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?* Would they have the same employment, education, crime and other rates as White Americans? Would they be in the same position they are in now?

    *Note : I realize that not every black American in the United States is a descendant of slaves. This question addresses the ones that are. I hope that takes care of all the red herrings.
    Nowhere, because due to the butterfly effect they wouldn't exist.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Without the influence of the slave trade, would they be worse off? Without the trade, the United States might not have fared as well since slavery gave it the free the labor it needed to acquire wealth which means it wouldn't be as dominant as it is today and, as such, Africa might not be as bad by comparison as it is today.
    I think you are wrong here. If the work needed to get done, somebody would have done it.

    The world does not stop because a black person stops working.

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