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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    The hypothetical question itself operates on the assumption that they or their ancestors would have all immigrated here at some point. Therefore, to address this question, we must also operate from that assumption.
    Yet important information is lacking from that hypothetical, such as:
    The reason for their immigration to the USA (War in home area? Better prospects in USA?)
    How they were treated after immigrating to the USA (was there still racism and bigotry? Discrimination, legal or illegal? Was there a civil rights movement? If so, or if not, was it necessary?).
    What culture they brought with them, how it affected US culture, if at all, how they integrated into the US culture, etc. Does this hypothetical USA even resemble our current USA?

    It's in no way a simple "well what if the people enslaved and brought to the USA voluntarily immigrated" question.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    What?
    Numbers may have started in Egypt, a mixed, not sub-saharan culture.
    Actually you don't know where numbers came from. Indian mathematicians have been doing advanced mathematics for thousands of years. Pythagoras got his theorem from the Upanishads.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    I have no idea.


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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Actually you don't know where numbers came from. Indian mathematicians have been doing advanced mathematics for thousands of years. Pythagoras got his theorem from the Upanishads.
    I have often used Indians myself, especially when some PCer says "Arabs invented numbers/Algebra/Zero/etc."
    However, Egyptians/Mesopotamians easily PRE-Date those you mention on the Overall question.
    5000+ years ago.
    About Twice as old as the Upanishads.

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    First use of numbers

    Bones and other artifacts have been discovered with marks cut into them that many believe are tally marks.[10] These tally marks may have been used for counting elapsed time, such as numbers of days, lunar cycles or keeping records of quantities, such as of animals.

    A tallying system has no concept of place value (as in modern decimal notation), which limits its representation of large numbers. Nonetheless tallying systems are considered the first kind of abstract numeral system.

    The First known system with place value was the Mesopotamian base 60 system (ca. 3400 BC) and the earliest known base 10 system dates to 3100 BC in Egypt.[11]


    So "Actually, YOU don't know where numbers came from."
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by spangledbanner View Post
    Really. The Irish overachieve do they? I thought they were a bunch of retards. What is so great about Ireland. What is it with Americans and the Irish? In British and Aussie/New Zealand culture there is none of this 'Boston Strong' nonsense. Irish are a bunch of retards. You dont know Irish jokes? The thrust is that the Irish are stupid. And where did you get the idea that the Irish are strong anyway? You Americans are really impressed by the little Irish? How about when the Normans invaded Ireland. The Normans were insulted if the little Irish even dared try to attack them.

    Why do Americans love the Irish? And what exactly is so great about the Irish again?
    As an Australian, i cringe almost everytime i read your posts. Your views in no way represent the average Australian. 10% of Australians claim Irish ancestory and nearly 30,000 working visas are granted to Irish Citizens each year. Overall they are beautiful people and they are more than welcome here.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by spangledbanner View Post
    Really. The Irish overachieve do they? I thought they were a bunch of retards. What is so great about Ireland. What is it with Americans and the Irish? In British and Aussie/New Zealand culture there is none of this 'Boston Strong' nonsense. Irish are a bunch of retards. You dont know Irish jokes? The thrust is that the Irish are stupid. And where did you get the idea that the Irish are strong anyway? You Americans are really impressed by the little Irish? How about when the Normans invaded Ireland. The Normans were insulted if the little Irish even dared try to attack them.

    Why do Americans love the Irish? And what exactly is so great about the Irish again?
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    As an Australian, i cringe almost everytime i read your posts. Your views in no way represent the average Australian. 10% of Australians claim Irish ancestory and nearly 30,000 working visas are granted to Irish Citizens each year. Overall they are beautiful people and they are more than welcome here.
    do you all have the equivalent of the "Irish Travelers" in Australia? I learned up on them after our office had a complaint about inter-state fraud committed by alleged members of the "Irish Travelers"



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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    As an Australian, i cringe almost everytime i read your posts. Your views in no way represent the average Australian. 10% of Australians claim Irish ancestory and nearly 30,000 working visas are granted to Irish Citizens each year. Overall they are beautiful people and they are more than welcome here.
    You read it more than once?
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do you all have the equivalent of the "Irish Travelers" in Australia? I learned up on them after our office had a complaint about inter-state fraud committed by alleged members of the "Irish Travelers"
    No we don't TD.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    No we don't TD.
    Thanks, I was wondering if it was confined to the USA or prevalent in other nations with lots of Irish Immigrants.



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