Last edited by Cardinal; 03-09-15 at 10:22 AM.
I mean... I'm sorry, but do really think groups like the freaking Zulu were as liable (or even able) to immigrate as European Italians or Jews? How exactly?
Last edited by Gathomas88; 03-09-15 at 10:44 AM.
Meaning Lovebug, it has nothing to do with "individual drive to succeed." Yes, Abe Lincoln enforced the emancipation proclamation. But we then had (and still have) 100+ years of white people like US State Governors (George Wallace, Benjamin Tillman, JCW Beckham), Supreme Court Justices (the 7 deciding judges on Plessy v. Ferguson, including the White League member), influential politicians (Sen. Theodore Bilbo, Sen. Jeter Pritchard, leader of the lilly-white movement), religious leaders, military leaders, entertainers, journalists, and on and on and on.
All of those white people are people who dedicated their lives to annihilating any progress made by any black person in America.
If blacks had never been enslaved, but had still come to American, they would have still had to deal with white racists. People who held the highest, most influential positions in America and were unapologetic, vile racists. Honestly? Chris Rock had it right. The Civil Right's movement had little to do with black progress, and a whole hell of a lot more to do with white progress.
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Captured and forced to become strangers in a strange land against their will and in terrible fear, beaten, murdered, forced to work long hours, sometimes chained up ..
.. Then have an entire region scapegoat and hate them for that region's economic decline ..
.. Have them endure hatred, exploited, feared because they'll work for peanuts just to survive thus taking jobs away from others who would usually get paid more, subjected to economic discrimination, poverty, etc., etc. for decades, have to jump through way more hoops than others just to begin to get ahead ...
Now, instead, imagine people, little by little, choosing to come here, not en masse as slaves, but as individuals, seek employment, never blamed for a region's economic demise or the deaths of those who freed them, free to seek out and find friends, work hard and get rewarded for their work paid the same as anyone, and coming here is such small amounts each year they don't contribute to over-population ...
Major positive attitude difference, for themselves, and for others who know them as well as those who don't, not to mention major positive economic difference too.
Without question the second answer in the poll is accurate.
Sure, there would be some here who, because of the difference in color of their skin and equatorial appearance from themselves, would be challenged by their degree of early childhood inculcated fear of that which is different.
But that wouldn't at all come even close to creating the horrors for anyone or en masse as the way it actually happened.
Last edited by Ontologuy; 03-09-15 at 11:27 AM.
When the election is over and we open our eyes, it will sadly be too late to wonder what the hell just happened.
They would have been treated in this country with the same suspicion and problems as many other groups that migrated here. I'm of Irish descent (half) and my great grandparents were discriminated against. And anyone in this country can get an education or a job so if they had emigrated here as opposed to being enslaved, that would be up to them where they are today. Where is any other group today?
Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. ~W.C. Fields
Why is it that an immigrant from the Ukraine or Vietnam or China, coming here with only a few $ in their pockets, work their arses off and make something of themselves? Are they more privileged than any American citizen? Do they perhaps work hard, safe their money and invest to move forward, more often than not without any Gov assistance?
Please don't cry me a river. I have been there and done that and know first hand what is possible. I also know that it is so much easier to sit at home, text a bit and bitch about what others owe you.