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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    It's an undeniable fact that the vast majority of the Black people in the USA are the descendents of Blacks who were brought here from Africa as slaves.

    No one can change that essential fact.

    All of the woulda,coulda, shoulda in the world will have zero impact on reality.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Such absolute nonsense.

    So youre saying there's a genetic and physiological reason that some Black people struggle and its directly connected to Slavery ?

    Lol !

    Riculous and arbitrary narratives that are based on convincing people that they're perennial victims based on nothing but some idiots opinion have far more to do with the struggles that some Black Americans go through than " Slavery " does.
    How did you get genetics from my post? I was talking about cultural influences.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    No, it was primitive then
    That's just your say so and I've shown that to be based on ignorance of facts.

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    as it is now.
    I've agreed this.

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    There were few written languages, much of africa STILL does not have written language.
    Africa is a place where the oral tradition of storytelling is stronger - it's also however where the first written languages were created.

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    And its simply a fact, the wheel was unknown to much of africa (save the horn).
    The relevance is limited. Other technologies existed like smelting in metals etc.

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    Then you somehow fast forward to the 1960's, as if it was somehow more advanced in the interim. A few stone forts and clay pots dont make a magnificent civilisation. Remarkable for the place and time, maybe-but archaic nevertheless.

    And I know about post colonial africa, and all the africans that have died has a result.
    This above does nothing for your position neither is it clear what you're even trying to say.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    How did you get genetics from my post? I was talking about cultural influences.
    Clultural influences ? That are derived from Slavery ?

    How exactly ?

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Try making some sense, what the hell are you talking about?
    I am talking about the exploitation of Africans by Europeans.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I am talking about the exploitation of Africans by Europeans.
    Current exploitation or past exploitation ? Because I'm still trying to figure out how the two are related

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Booth View Post
    Well, since the question specifically asked if AFRICANS LIVING IN AMERICA weren't descended from slaves, I'll have to assume "They would still be in Africa" isn't an answer to the question. They would be much better off, for the most part. Every ethnic group that immigrated here willingly tends to do better as the generations go by, except for Africans, the only race taken here against their will. And the Africans that did come here willingly tend to do much better economically than the descendants of slaves.

    The obvious conclusion is that they would be doing just as well as anybody else if it wasn't for the method by which their ancestors arrived.


    You're operating on the assumption that they or their ancestors would have all immigrated here at some point. There is absolutely no reason to assume this. African Americans currently constitute about 11% of the population last time I checked... how many are actual immigrants FROM Africa, or mostly descended from WILLING immigrants from Africa? From what I've seen, I doubt that number is even as high as 1 in 100. Therefore it is reasonable to conclude that the vast majority would NOT have immigrated to America from Africa, therefore it is reasonable to assume the vast majority would still be in Africa.... inasumuch as there is ANYTHING resembling reason in this flight of fancy masquerading as a thread.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I am talking about the exploitation of Africans by Europeans.
    Most Americans are looking at the premise of Africans condition had they not been brought to the US as slaves. I think most Americans would believe that even though slaves for a long time, as a whole they are better off here than in Africa. That's my opinion. I could be wrong about what other Americans think about this, but I think that Africans have not faired so well over there, millions dying of disease, no food, bad water, etc...and dictatorships. Doesn't mean I think slavery is good.
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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Impossible to say, because how would the Africans be now if there would never have been colonial forces robbing them blind?
    For the most part I suspect they'd be in similar shape to the Arabs.

    Africans who live in the few small pockets of Africa where resources are plentiful would be doing just fine.

    The overwhelming majority would be living the way most Arabs do today.

    Or the way that people in resource-scare areas live all over the world.

    Think about places like Western China, Siberia, and interior Australia.

    It's hard for anything more than a small, "elite" minority to rise above a stone age existence when an area's resources can't possibly support such an increase in standard of living.

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    Re: Where would black Americans be if their ancestors had never been enslaved?

    Maybe I missed the post, but I didn't see one single person show either of the two best examples of modern nations that would answer the question in the OP with ease. Take a look at Canada and Great Britain and see how they fare in those two nations.
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