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    Re: Do You Support Ringling Bros' Decision To Remove Elephants From The Circus?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
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    What goes next? - The clown car?

    How can you have a real circus without elephants?

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    Re: Do You Support Ringling Bros' Decision To Remove Elephants From The Circus?

    This is absolutely the right decision, and it's been a long time coming. I have been a big advocate of removing all animals from circuses but most especially the elephants.

    If anyone is ever interested in a good cause for donations, there are 2 extremely good and reputable elephant sanctuaries in this country that takes the former performing elephants and gives them care, dignity, and quality of life.

    Now we need RB to do away with all of their animal acts, and we also need the Shriner Circus and others to follow suit.

    By the way, I'm convinced that this is a result of the recent ruling in CA that prevents the use of bullhooks. And I applaud PETA for being one of many organizations to work tirelessly to make this happen.
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    Re: Do You Support Ringling Bros' Decision To Remove Elephants From The Circus?

    I don't know. I voted other. Where treatment of an elephant is less than ideal no matter how well they are treated, they don't get to roam around and be elephants. Seeing them in the zoo shows us that they are real and some of us can even see that they are intelligent. Without that personal connection how do we know they aren't just cows?

    Seeing them betting in their presents helps us understand what they are and gives us gumption to give a Damn about poachers and such.
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    Re: Do You Support Ringling Bros' Decision To Remove Elephants From The Circus?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It really doesn't matter to me, I haven't been to a circus in probably 35 years.
    Not have I. But honestly I probably wouldn't boycott them because they had elephants, and I wouldn't boycott then for not having elephants.

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    Re: Do You Support Ringling Bros' Decision To Remove Elephants From The Circus?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    It's their business, not mine.

    I assume we would hear more about it if they were treated badly.

    But I am against caging animals anyway, whether for horse racing, circus's or even zoo's. I don't lose sleep over it, I just don't think it's cool.
    They are treated badly. Very badly. Unfortunately the inhumane treatment of elephants in circuses doesn't make front page news, but that doesn't mean it isn't there.

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    Re: Do You Support Ringling Bros' Decision To Remove Elephants From The Circus?

    With all the video and film of animals that anyone can access, it's time to stop confining wild animals and making them perform.
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    Re: Do You Support Ringling Bros' Decision To Remove Elephants From The Circus?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    WHAT he said but PETA is scum and I cannot stand them in any way shape or form. A moronic PETA scumbag was braying about the Elephants in Cincinnati. What a frigging loser
    Anymore if you offend someone else's "sensitivities" their "feelings", then it must be banned. There has been an effort for years against zoos and circuses and even the use of an animal as a beast of burden with certain special interest groups. If PETA would have been around 140 years ago they would be protesting stagecoaches pulled by teams of horses and horses used to plow the fields. There is a history of abuse with animal trainers but there is also a lot of documentation that shows that elephants and other animals trained to perform build deep bonds between the animal and the trainer and live very well. There are good zoos and bad ones. You can find good and evil in everything. They say that someone went undercover and video taped the elephants being abused. I haven't viewed the video. But when abuse is found, it needs to be called out.

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    Re: Do You Support Ringling Bros' Decision To Remove Elephants From The Circus?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Anymore if you offend someone else's "sensitivities" their "feelings", then it must be banned. There has been an effort for years against zoos and circuses and even the use of an animal as a beast of burden with certain special interest groups. If PETA would have been around 140 years ago they would be protesting stagecoaches pulled by teams of horses and horses used to plow the fields. There is a history of abuse with animal trainers but there is also a lot of documentation that shows that elephants and other animals trained to perform build deep bonds between the animal and the trainer and live very well. There are good zoos and bad ones. You can find good and evil in everything. They say that someone went undercover and video taped the elephants being abused. I haven't viewed the video. But when abuse is found, it needs to be called out.
    You are correct. PETA did infiltrate circuses more than once, and brought back obvious evidence of atrocities. PETA isn't my favorite organization and I have a lot of issues with some of their tactics as well as some of their conclusions. In this example they were spot on, and that's been known for years. There are many groups and individuals who work hard to help these elephants, including Bob Barker (who has personally funded the rescue and rehoming of some elephants), Cleveland Amory's charity "The Fund For Animals", and some others. I've worked an elephant rescue and I'm here to tell you, I can cry at the drop of a hat thinking about what I saw, and what people do to these creatures. There is absolutely no upside to using elephants for human entertainment whatsoever.

    Interestingly enough, the movie "Born Free", while not about elephants, raised a lot of new awareness about the plight of elephants and other animals from Africa and Asia.
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    Re: Do You Support Ringling Bros' Decision To Remove Elephants From The Circus?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You are correct. PETA did infiltrate circuses more than once, and brought back obvious evidence of atrocities. PETA isn't my favorite organization and I have a lot of issues with some of their tactics as well as some of their conclusions. In this example they were spot on, and that's been known for years. There are many groups and individuals who work hard to help these elephants, including Bob Barker (who has personally funded the rescue and rehoming of some elephants), Cleveland Amory's charity "The Fund For Animals", and some others. I've worked an elephant rescue and I'm here to tell you, I can cry at the drop of a hat thinking about what I saw, and what people do to these creatures. There is absolutely no upside to using elephants for human entertainment whatsoever.

    Interestingly enough, the movie "Born Free", while not about elephants, raised a lot of new awareness about the plight of elephants and other animals from Africa and Asia.
    PETA euthanizes thousands of dogs annually, same with the Humane Society, screw both organizations.

    Having said that, the circus has become an anachronism, it's been replaced by Circ Du Sole which puts on quality human entertainment and major concert tours in which performers like Pink fly by wire all over arenas and Tommy Lee plays drums on a roller coaster. Disband the circus altogether, and quit using wild animals as props. It's not entertaining.
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    Re: Do You Support Ringling Bros' Decision To Remove Elephants From The Circus?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
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    Anyone who has even seen a video of Cirque du Soleil knows that animal acts are not only cruel, but lame and boring.

    How many times and different ways can you make a heavily medicated animal stand on its hind legs, as it it ever wanted to do that in nature. When you see what people, with original music can do through acrobatics, dance and comedy, you won't really want to see another elephant act. That stuff was boring when I was a kid 50+ years ago.
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