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    Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    I was reading this article (in English) from the Netherlands. For those who do not want to read the article, it is about comments by the prime minister of the Netherlands, Mark Rutte, that Dutch fighters who join ISIS are better dead than returning to the Netherlands. According to the article he received criticism from the leader of D66, an opposition party, saying that these fighters should face persecution and the rule of law in the Netherlands.

    During the debate, D66 leader Alexander Pechtold said he was shocked by the prime minister’s position. ‘I think as prime minister you should put the rule of law first, but you are saying “go and die in the desert rather than face your responsibilities in court”,’ Pechtold said. Rutte retaliated by saying that ‘people who go there know what they are part of’. ‘The only aim is to kill as many people as possible. Those people will soon be back to carry out attacks here as well. As prime minister, I am here to protect our people.’
    I wanted to know what DebatePolitics thinks, are western fighters for ISIS better of dead in the Middle East or should they face persecution back home? I can personally understand both positions and am torn between them.

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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I was reading this article (in English) from the Netherlands. For those who do not want to read the article, it is about comments by the prime minister of the Netherlands, Mark Rutte, that Dutch fighters who join ISIS are better dead than returning to the Netherlands. According to the article he received criticism from the leader of D66, an opposition party, saying that these fighters should face persecution and the rule of law in the Netherlands.



    I wanted to know what DebatePolitics thinks, are western fighters for ISIS better of dead in the Middle East or should they face persecution back home? I can personally understand both positions and am torn between them.

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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    In my book, this is the equivalent of treason and defection. If you choose to take up arms against your own country, you forfeit every and all benefits of your citizenship and your citizenship as well.

    Either rot in hell or dance with your 70 virgins - I don't care which - just don't set foot in Canada ever again.
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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    This is the personal opinion of the prime-minister, not as prime-minister even though he as a prime-minister agrees with his statement, but he had made that comment in a political debate that was held because of upcoming elections in the Netherlands. And he made that comment as the leader of the VVD, his political party.
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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    They are enemies of the state and should be treated as such... dead IMO
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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    I don't understand the second choice ...'facing persecution back home'. If you meant to say prosecution, then perhaps you should ask the moderators to change it. If persecution is what you meant, then your poll is bogus.

    In any event, the sooner such people are dead, the better.
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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I was reading this article (in English) from the Netherlands. For those who do not want to read the article, it is about comments by the prime minister of the Netherlands, Mark Rutte, that Dutch fighters who join ISIS are better dead than returning to the Netherlands. According to the article he received criticism from the leader of D66, an opposition party, saying that these fighters should face persecution and the rule of law in the Netherlands.





    I wanted to know what DebatePolitics thinks, are western fighters for ISIS better of dead in the Middle East or should they face persecution back home? I can personally understand both positions and am torn between them.

    Note: Votes are public.
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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I don't understand the second choice ...'facing persecution back home'. If you meant to say prosecution, then perhaps you should ask the moderators to change it. If persecution is what you meant, then your poll is bogus.

    In any event, the sooner such people are dead, the better.
    I meant prosecution, so if a mod could change it that would be nice.

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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Depends on if can be captured alive or not, and if they are willingly coming home or not.


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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    This is the personal opinion of the prime-minister, not as prime-minister even though he as a prime-minister agrees with his statement, but he had made that comment in a political debate that was held because of upcoming elections in the Netherlands. And he made that comment as the leader of the VVD, his political party.
    From my understanding of the article it was the deputy prime minister that said he was speaking for the VVD not Rutte himself and the article made it sound like he was speaking as prime minster. I can read some Dutch but I am nowhere near proficient enough to read a NOS article on it. It might just be a bad translation. I do think it may be an attempt to maybe take some votes from the PVV either way.
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