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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    The WA Times is a whack job right wing jackoff site. And Rickards is a loon. Surely you can do better than this?
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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    The WA Times is a whack job right wing jackoff site. And Rickards is a loon. Surely you can do better than this?
    She said it. Its on video. Lots of commentators responded. She said we not only couldn't win this war, but that they needed jobs.

    The left is like an over easy egg on terrorists.

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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    She said it. Its on video. Lots of commentators responded. She said we not only couldn't win this war, but that they needed jobs.

    The left is like an over easy egg on terrorists.
    You are delusional and all you have is out of context whack job righties to quote.
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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    You are delusional and all you have is out of context whack job righties to quote.
    In other words you wish to bury your head under the sand. Hardly surprising.

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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    You are delusional and all you have is out of context whack job righties to quote.
    Marie Harf is a "rightie"?
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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    In other words you wish to bury your head under the sand. Hardly surprising.
    You blame the weather on Obama.
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    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Or maybe "We now understand why women provoke men into hitting them".
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    . Losing insurance does not mean losing healthcare. .

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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Marie Harf is a "rightie"?
    What the hell is wrong with you? Can you not read?
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    You have no empirical evidence backing up your false assertion. You are simply conjecturing based on a whim...
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    Or maybe "We now understand why women provoke men into hitting them".
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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

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    What the hell is wrong with you? Can you not read?
    Yeah the problem is with him...

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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Yeah the problem is with him...
    Wow, you got one right. Congrats.
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    Or maybe "We now understand why women provoke men into hitting them".
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    . Losing insurance does not mean losing healthcare. .

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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    1) I don't care about the U.S.'s terrorist list...mean almost nothing to me. I don't trust the U.S. government AT ALL so I sure as shoot do not trust her lists.

    2) ISIS to me is more an army then a terrorist group. A barbaric army, but an army. And America has not declared war on ISIS (the nonsensical 'War On Terror' does not count). So, technically, I don't see that an American fighting for ISIS is breaking any American laws. At least laws that I know of AND agree with.

    3) However, as ISIS is clearly barbaric and clearly is extremely hostile to the United States, you cannot just let this American-who-fought-for-ISIS back into the country when the fighting is over as he must be considered a huge threat to peace.

    So, I would give him a choice when he comes back; a) he can never come back; or b) he is considered an enemy combatant and put on trial for any crimes he committed against Americans or against humanity while fighting for ISIS. Once this trial is over, if his jail sentence ends (or he is found innocent), then he must prove to psychiatrists that he is no threat to Americans. And the onus is on him to prove himself - on this he is considered guilty until proved innocent psychologically.
    Only then could he theoretically be let back into American society.

    There is no way you are convincing me that every, single person who is fighting for ISIS is some blood-thirsty terrorist. I am quite sure many of them are fighting for a cause they feel is just. They are soldiers fighting in a war.
    Not all soldiers for barbaric armies are terrible people.
    Look at Nazi Germany. Millions fought for that barbaric regime. Yet, the vast minority were not actually Nazis or agreed with the terrible treatment of the Jews/others even though many claim to not know of the gas chambers until after the war. The same with the Japanese during WW2. People can be brainwashed by governments. That does not mean they are all bad.
    And I highly doubt every ISIS fighter is all bad...just desperate and/or brainwashed.
    And if you are going to call ISIS barbaric (and I would), then you have to do the same for the Saudi Royal family as they run a country that beheads FAR more people then ISIS does - often for trivial matters. They reduce women to virtual slaves and are a barbaric regime...but the West supports them.


    Finally, if America would stop being so gutless and actually would declare war on the countries/organizations she goes to war with, it would make things easier. Just declare war, go full guns to destroy them, occupy them until free elections can be held and then leave. This half-assed nonsense does no one any good.
    I think America should mind her own business when it comes to the Middle East...but if she is going to war - do it right or do not do it at all.

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