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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    I say we simply beat them into submission, killing any that do not immediately put their arms and surrender.

    And any captured in the region, local or foreigner alike (including US and coalition citizens) be turned over to the local authorities to deal with as they would any other that was killing it's citizens.

    I do not forgive murderers simply because of what countries they have lived in.
    I agree this but you are as aware as I am that many will ask for these people to be brought here to trial. Such show trials will cost millions and delays will be huge. Not even counting the ongoing security cost.

    I don't see a "win" in our boots on the ground - ROE would hamper our troops, sympathisers and the deluded would protest that these people should be brought back here to face justice.

    Then there is the "are they criminals or terrorists or foreign soldiers" argument. If they are criminals then "death on a battlefield scenario" opens up all sorts of criminal liability against our forces. If classed as foreign soldiers then would the geneva conventions apply? Could we hand them over to local forces and nations we know well might torture and kill them?

    We haven't even gone near the "oh but they are innocent children" argument which I have seen on these forums..

    I'm no sympathiser - I've had the arguments made against me in the past. I want none of these people back; their citizenship should be rescinded. We should support the Kurds so much more than we currently are, Turkey should be forced to act or removed from NATO and I certainly think drone strikes should be much more heavily used.

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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Damn straight. Send em to allah in style.
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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Trials if they make it to trial are short and the sentence in quickly imposed.
    One problem is the death sentences many would receive will cause an uproar with some in the west.
    And I really could not care less, to be honest.

    They commit crimes in another country, they get what comes to them. Sorry but it frankly pisses me the hell off when people go overseas and break the law, then whine that they are not treated like they think they should be treated.

    Maybe they should be happier if they had no appeal, and were simply marched out of the court room to the gallows?

    Simple rule of thumb: If you go to another country, do not break the law!

    ANd if you do break the law, do not expect to be patted on the fanny and let go because society was not fair to them.
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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I agree this but you are as aware as I am that many will ask for these people to be brought here to trial. Such show trials will cost millions and delays will be huge. Not even counting the ongoing security cost.
    And as I said, I could not care less.

    To me this is just like any other crime comitted in another country.

    I suppose the same morons would have insisted that William Walker be returned to the US for trial.
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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    And I really could not care less, to be honest.

    They commit crimes in another country, they get what comes to them. Sorry but it frankly pisses me the hell off when people go overseas and break the law, then whine that they are not treated like they think they should be treated.

    Maybe they should be happier if they had no appeal, and were simply marched out of the court room to the gallows?

    Simple rule of thumb: If you go to another country, do not break the law!

    ANd if you do break the law, do not expect to be patted on the fanny and let go because society was not fair to them.
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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You heard the words and deliberately misrepresent them.
    Obama wants to give terrorists jobs. That'll stop em eh?

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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama wants to give terrorists jobs. That'll stop em eh?
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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

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    Obama wants to give terrorists jobs.
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    Re: Are Western Fighters Who Join ISIS Better Dead or Facing Trial Back Home?

    it's preferable they die on the battlefield for their cause ( it surely simplifies the question of what to do with them)

    if they happen to get caught alive... trying them for high treason works too.

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