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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Let me clear something up for everyone because we have adopted twice:

    1. Regardless of whether you adopt a child domestically or do a foreign adoption, you still go through the same domestic adoption approval process in regards to the courts, home studies, and so on.

    2. There are not actually many people looking to adopt. A lot of people talk about adopting, but not nearly as many take the steps to do so.

    3. More people adopt domestically than do foreign adoption. Unless you want to adopt a newborn and thus are willing to pay all of the medical care for the mother and support her throughout her pregnancy, it is cheaper to adopt domestically than a foreign adoption.

    So, why do some people choose foreign adoption?

    1. They want an older child but cannot adopt several children at once. This was our case. We adopted special needs twice, but we wanted girls that would be closer in age to our biological son so we adopted a 4 year old and a 9 year old (the adoptions were 2 years apart). We looked into domestic adoption extensively, but the problem with finding older kids to adopt is that unfortunately when people are such terrible parents that they get their kids taken away, they typically have several kids and you have to be willing to adopt several kids at once in order to keep the siblings together.

    2. They want an infant but are scared of taking the risk of adopting an infant domestically and thus being potentially tens of thousands of dollars into the process only for the maternal mother to decide she wants to keep her child.

    Personally I wish many more families would adopt but relatively few choose to do so. I am always amazed when I see couples spend tens of thousands of dollars on fertility treatments when they could just adopt. I think a lot of times people for whatever reason think it will be different to have an adopted child rather than a biological one and think they will be missing out on something by not having a biological child. We have a biological son and 2 adopted daughters. They are all 3 our kids and we don't see them any differently. As incredible of an experience of childbirth is for a mother and a father, I can honestly say this and my wife will tell you the same thing, it has nothing on going through the long adoption process and then meeting your new kid for the first time. There is simply nothing in a person's life that compares to it.
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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Strictly anecdotally, there are some public social workers who.... shall we say.... do not wish to dilute the children's "identity" by placing them with parents of an unfortunately lily hue.
    Gotta be careful, huh?

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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    There are a lot of people looking to adopt. It's very tough here in the States so people look over seas.
    Part of the problem is that it is basically impossible to get a fully closed adoption in the US. A friend of mine was seriously considering adopting domestically, until she learned that. She has seen the extreme damage this can do, including in my own family, and she is unwilling to take that risk. I don't blame her.

    A combination of considering adoptive children to be "lesser" and prohibitive laws that exclude probably thousands of perfectly fit adoptive parents have the situation in the US at basically a stand-still.

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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    There are a lot of people looking to adopt. It's very tough here in the States so people look over seas.
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    There are over 130,000 children ( many of them who are special needs) in the US waiting to be adopted.


    From: Adopting smart: How it works and how much it costs
    Adopting a Waiting Child

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    Estimates put the number of children in foster care who are eligible for adoption at approximately 131,000.
    States and agencies caring for these "waiting children" consider all of them adoptable

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    What it costs: Because the aim of special-needs adoption is to find permanent families for waiting children,
    the costs are minimal and incentives are plentiful. Agencies will lower or waive their usual fees,
    and the government will reimburse you for your adoption expenses, including travel and legal bills.


    Plan on initial out-of-pocket expenses of $1,500 to $3,500, but expect to recoup your costs through a federal reimbursement plan or the adoption tax credit.

    In fact, for adoptions of many children from foster care, families will receive a $10,000 tax credit, regardless of their actual adoption expenses.


    The federal government mandates that states provide nontaxable adoption subsidies for special-needs children who meet federal and state guidelines. These monthly payments, typically until the child is 18, ensure that a prospective parent is not deterred from adoption because of the expenses of caring for a child with special needs and that the child receives required services.
    Coverage includes medical assistance, psychological counseling, daycare and tutoring, for example.
    The average monetary subsidy is $250 to $300 monthly, says Joe Kroll of the North American Council on Adoptable Children, an advocacy and parent support organization in St. Paul, Minnesota, but it can reach $1,500 in some rare cases.
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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Yes. so why, I wonder, do they not get the unwanted abandoned children?
    So they'll remain beholden to the government as just another permenant under-class?
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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Let me clear something up for everyone because we have adopted twice:

    1. Regardless of whether you adopt a child domestically or do a foreign adoption, you still go through the same domestic adoption approval process in regards to the courts, home studies, and so on.

    2. There are not actually many people looking to adopt. A lot of people talk about adopting, but not nearly as many take the steps to do so.

    3. More people adopt domestically than do foreign adoption. Unless you want to adopt a newborn and thus are willing to pay all of the medical care for the mother and support her throughout her pregnancy, it is cheaper to adopt domestically than a foreign adoption.

    So, why do some people choose foreign adoption?

    1. They want an older child but cannot adopt several children at once. This was our case. We adopted special needs twice, but we wanted girls that would be closer in age to our biological son so we adopted a 4 year old and a 9 year old (the adoptions were 2 years apart). We looked into domestic adoption extensively, but the problem with finding older kids to adopt is that unfortunately when people are such terrible parents that they get their kids taken away, they typically have several kids and you have to be willing to adopt several kids at once in order to keep the siblings together.

    2. They want an infant but are scared of taking the risk of adopting an infant domestically and thus being potentially tens of thousands of dollars into the process only for the maternal mother to decide she wants to keep her child.

    Personally I wish many more families would adopt but relatively few choose to do so. I am always amazed when I see couples spend tens of thousands of dollars on fertility treatments when they could just adopt. I think a lot of times people for whatever reason think it will be different to have an adopted child rather than a biological one and think they will be missing out on something by not having a biological child. We have a biological son and 2 adopted daughters. They are all 3 our kids and we don't see them any differently. As incredible of an experience of childbirth is for a mother and a father, I can honestly say this and my wife will tell you the same thing, it has nothing on going through the long adoption process and then meeting your new kid for the first time. There is simply nothing in a person's life that compares to it.
    I'm sure the kid feels equally wonderful.
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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    There are a lot of people looking to adopt. It's very tough here in the States so people look over seas.
    The reason I bet is because of all that red tape and bureaucracy over here.

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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    So they'll remain beholden to the government as just another permenant under-class?
    Why that? There are many middle class, well educated people that want to adopt kids.

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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

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