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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    2. Even Milton Friedman said that children, the aged, and the disabled should be taken care of by society. I don't know why your poll does not allow multiple options, however, so I am left unable to vote.
    Why do people keep mentioning Milton Friedman as if he was for small government? Where in the hell is the proof? Is it found in his witholding system? His monetary policy? His support for welfare? Where in the hell is the proof?

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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    There are a lot of people looking to adopt. It's very tough here in the States so people look over seas.
    Let me clear something up for everyone because we have adopted twice:

    1. Regardless of whether you adopt a child domestically or do a foreign adoption, you still go through the same domestic adoption approval process in regards to the courts, home studies, and so on.

    2. There are not actually many people looking to adopt. A lot of people talk about adopting, but not nearly as many take the steps to do so.

    3. More people adopt domestically than do foreign adoption. Unless you want to adopt a newborn and thus are willing to pay all of the medical care for the mother and support her throughout her pregnancy, it is cheaper to adopt domestically than a foreign adoption.

    So, why do some people choose foreign adoption?

    1. They want an older child but cannot adopt several children at once. This was our case. We adopted special needs twice, but we wanted girls that would be closer in age to our biological son so we adopted a 4 year old and a 9 year old (the adoptions were 2 years apart). We looked into domestic adoption extensively, but the problem with finding older kids to adopt is that unfortunately when people are such terrible parents that they get their kids taken away, they typically have several kids and you have to be willing to adopt several kids at once in order to keep the siblings together.

    2. They want an infant but are scared of taking the risk of adopting an infant domestically and thus being potentially tens of thousands of dollars into the process only for the maternal mother to decide she wants to keep her child.

    Personally I wish many more families would adopt but relatively few choose to do so. I am always amazed when I see couples spend tens of thousands of dollars on fertility treatments when they could just adopt. I think a lot of times people for whatever reason think it will be different to have an adopted child rather than a biological one and think they will be missing out on something by not having a biological child. We have a biological son and 2 adopted daughters. They are all 3 our kids and we don't see them any differently. As incredible of an experience of childbirth is for a mother and a father, I can honestly say this and my wife will tell you the same thing, it has nothing on going through the long adoption process and then meeting your new kid for the first time. There is simply nothing in a person's life that compares to it.
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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why do people keep mentioning Milton Friedman as if he was for small government? Where in the hell is the proof? Is it found in his witholding system? His monetary policy? His support for welfare? Where in the hell is the proof?
    There is no proof, it's an appeal to authority.
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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There is no proof, it's an appeal to authority.
    He's not an authority on anything when it comes to the topic. He was an economist that helped put in place the greatest tools for government growth the world has ever known.

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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There is no proof, it's an appeal to authority.
    Actually it was simply to dispel a common misconception. There is a strong tendency on the Left to assume that because Conservatives oppose their means, they must oppose their ends (this is why they tend to assume that Conservatives are racist, or narrow-minded, or hate immigrants, or are involved in a war on women, etc). I use Friedman simply to push back on the implicit idea that conservatives are against taking care of those who cannot take care of themselves.

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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    He's not an authority on anything when it comes to the topic. He was an economist that helped put in place the greatest tools for government growth the world has ever known.
    ....as a measure to help get us funded through WWII. Which he later said he wanted to repeal because we were in peacetime.

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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually it was simply to dispel a common misconception. There is a strong tendency on the Left to assume that because Conservatives oppose their means, they must oppose their ends (this is why they tend to assume that Conservatives are racist, or narrow-minded, or hate immigrants, or are involved in a war on women, etc). I use Friedman simply to push back on the implicit idea that conservatives are against taking care of those who cannot take care of themselves.
    And most conservatives are fine taking care of those who cannot take care of themselves, but not at the cost of ignoring the real responsible parties. I'm cool with taking care of orphans for whom no one else will take the responsibility. When you have a perfectly good mother and father who simply are too stupid or lazy to do their parental duties though, screw that. It's their job, they should be required to do it, like it or not.
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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    How about making sure all women and girls have access to affordable birth control so this isn't a big problem in the first place? Or must our society punish sluts with unwanted children?
    You mean free birth control paid for by those who have health insurance.

    Society punishes sluts with unwanted children? So its society's fault?
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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    You mean free birth control paid for by those who have health insurance.

    Society punishes sluts with unwanted children? So its society's fault?
    Why did you respond to that? Not providing someone birth control or even access to it is not the same thing as punishing them. His point was just too stupid to bother with.

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    Re: Financial Support for Unwanted Children

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Society punishes sluts with unwanted children? So its society's fault?
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