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    Re: Should the U.S. do more to educate kids on the autistic spectrum?

    Yes, IMO expansion of education, which is basically healthcare in this situation needs expanded.
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    Re: Should the U.S. do more to educate kids on the autistic spectrum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I vote no because anything society does in the way of improving education worsens it for more people than it helps. As long as we have a system of mainstreaming those with special needs, then those special needs kids should not get special treatment. If we remove them from mainstream classrooms, then do whatever you want, but until then...
    How do you define 'special treatment'? Once we are placed in the general education classroom, that doesn't mean our IEPs and 504 plans go away. They stick with us.

    The OP suggested funds. Funds, even if you (a student with a disability) are in the general education classroom, are not divided on an equal basis per child. It's per the child's needs. There is a funding issue, but it's more on the federal end. The federal government hasn't been providing the sum it agreed to, which put more stress on the states to do so in order to be compliant with federal law. How that impacts what a child receives is usually tricky, but on the whole, they have to remain compliant with federal law no matter what they fuss about.
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    Re: Should the U.S. do more to educate kids on the autistic spectrum?

    Children with intellectual disabilities should be given educational help the moment they're diagnosed. I've worked with children with disabilities in a pre-school environment, and if you can teach them the basics of self-control and social skills before they hit school, they do a hell of a lot better once they reach school.

    Oh, and the goal shouldn't be to get all kids with ASD disproving relativity, it should be giving them the education and skills to get a job and move out of their parents house and have a successful life.
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    Re: Should the U.S. do more to educate kids on the autistic spectrum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I vote no because anything society does in the way of improving education worsens it for more people than it helps. As long as we have a system of mainstreaming those with special needs, then those special needs kids should not get special treatment. If we remove them from mainstream classrooms, then do whatever you want, but until then...
    They are already removed from mainstream classrooms in many places. My son is in a special class just for children with autism.
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    Re: Should the U.S. do more to educate kids on the autistic spectrum?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They are already removed from mainstream classrooms in many places. My son is in a special class just for children with autism.
    And in many places they are not. A friend of mine's gal's job is to accompany an autistic child like a human service animal throughout the school day in mainstreamed classrooms.
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    Re: Should the U.S. do more to educate kids on the autistic spectrum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    And in many places they are not. A friend of mine's gal's job is to accompany an autistic child like a human service animal throughout the school day in mainstreamed classrooms.
    Not the most efficient method of teaching them. And you said that the system was to mainstream those with autism. This isn't true. Some systems mainstream those children with autism, while others separate them, determining what is best for the child based on their individual needs. Some children are actually fine with going into the classrooms. Others could not handle it.
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    Re: Should the U.S. do more to educate kids on the autistic spectrum?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not the most efficient method of teaching them. And you said that the system was to mainstream those with autism. This isn't true. Some systems mainstream those children with autism, while others separate them, determining what is best for the child based on their individual needs. Some children are actually fine with going into the classrooms. Others could not handle it.
    I did not say that all systems mainstream all autistic children. My complaint is that too many are mainstreamed that should not be. Create all the special classes you want for them, but when "socializing" autistic children takes priority over educating non-autistic children, then the school systems that do it are failing in their purpose.
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    Re: Should the U.S. do more to educate kids on the autistic spectrum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I did not say that all systems mainstream all autistic children. My complaint is that too many are mainstreamed that should not be. Create all the special classes you want for them, but when "socializing" autistic children takes priority over educating non-autistic children, then the school systems that do it are failing in their purpose.
    Obviously it is not taking priority over educating non-autistic children if they are in fact putting in precautions to be able to quickly address any problems the autistic children might have in a mainstream class, such as assigning them an escort, a teacher of their own. They can quickly be dealt with. But if they don't learn to socialize with their peers, and how they are supposed to behave in a classroom setting like mainstream classrooms, then they won't ever learn it. It should be done based on the ability of the child, the resources available by the school, and the educational needs of the child.
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    Re: Should the U.S. do more to educate kids on the autistic spectrum?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Obviously it is not taking priority over educating non-autistic children if they are in fact putting in precautions to be able to quickly address any problems the autistic children might have in a mainstream class, such as assigning them an escort, a teacher of their own. They can quickly be dealt with. But if they don't learn to socialize with their peers, and how they are supposed to behave in a classroom setting like mainstream classrooms, then they won't ever learn it. It should be done based on the ability of the child, the resources available by the school, and the educational needs of the child.
    When they are taking money that could be spent on instruction and using it to provide autistic children a thunder buddy in the classrooms they should not be in, then yes it is taking priority over the education of non-autistic children.
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    Re: Should the U.S. do more to educate kids on the autistic spectrum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    When they are taking money that could be spent on instruction and using it to provide autistic children a thunder buddy in the classrooms they should not be in, then yes it is taking priority over the education of non-autistic children.
    Autistic children now practically have a teacher per student. My son's class has a ratio of 2:1, students to teachers/teachers assistants. And two of the boys from my one son's class are also assigned to my other son's regular class, just as the autistic son has a regular class he is assigned to and goes to some activities with so that he gains social skills. So there are times when they go to the class with my other son. Not all schools are going to have as many autistic students as my sons' school has. Some may have more, and likely more teachers to go with them. More money goes to them because they need more attention.
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