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    Re: Who is smarter?

    Obama is smarter because he doesn't start stupid wars that cost the U.S. trillions of dollars and result in the loss of thousands of young American lives. Just think of how this guy must have felt when he got the news that his son had been killed. What a tragedy

    Father torches van after news of son's death

    After being informed that his 20-year-old son was killed while serving in Iraq, a Florida man doused a U.S. government van with gasoline and set it on fire while sitting inside.

    Carlos Arredondo, 44, was severely burned and rushed to Hollywood Regional Hospital in Florida after learning that Pfc. Alexander Arredondo had died, police said.

    "He suffered serious burns," said Detective Carlos Negron.

    Negron said the young man was killed in Iraq Tuesday.

    Melida Arredondo told CNN-affiliate WFOR, "My husband did not take the news well."

    The events started around 2:15 p.m. when three Marine casualty officers arrived at the home to inform the Arredondo family of the death.

    Arredondo went to his garage and came out carrying a propane tank, a gallon of gasoline and a welder's torch, police spokesman Tony Rode said.

    The Marines tried to calm him, Rode said, but Arredondo smashed the window of their van, got inside and doused it with the gasoline.

    Then he set it on fire.

    "Unfortunately, the man was caught in the fire," a police statement said.

    Video showed the van engulfed in flames.

    The three Marines pulled the father from the burning van and had him "drop and roll," police said.

    Arredondo was taken to a hospital and then to a burn center in Miami, Florida, with serious burns over much of his body.

    "A bad situation turned ugly is what happened," Rode said.

    "He's actually inside and, at one point, comes out of the vehicle pretty much on fire," Rode said. "He was burning on his arms, legs and hands."
    And that is why Obama is smarter than Cheney.

    Case closed.

    CNN.com - Father*torches van after news of son's death - Aug 25, 2004

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    Re: Who is smarter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    There is some truth to that.



    That is a bunch of bullcorn.
    Not really. A good leader empowers his followers and makes them think they can do anything.

    Oh, and a good leader doesn't need to be seen as the smartest guy in the room or need recognition.

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    Re: Who is smarter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Not really. A good leader empowers his followers and makes them think they can do anything.

    Oh, and a good leader doesn't need to be seen as the smartest guy in the room or need recognition.
    Although I agree with you on both points and I would go further and say he doesn't have to be the smartest guy in the room, this is simply not correct

    The highest type of ruler is one of whose existence the people are barely aware.
    Unless what you mean by that is what you put forward.

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    Re: Who is smarter?

    Yep, Dick Cheney led the effort to cherry pick intelligence to lead the U.S. into the Iraq war. Recall the infamous "Downing Street Memo"

    "The most controversial paragraph is a report of a recent visit to Washington by head of the Secret Intelligence Service Sir Richard Dearlove (known in official terminology as 'C'):

    C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record.
    ...........

    The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran.
    Downing Street memo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Who is smarter?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Well, this thread is going absolutely nowhere.
    The point madame is that you have this idiot, Netanyahu, about to bamboozle the people of the U.S. in the same way that Cheney did, despite the fact that Obama is trying to stop it.

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    Re: Who is smarter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Although I agree with you on both points and I would go further and say he doesn't have to be the smartest guy in the room, this is simply not correct



    Unless what you mean by that is what you put forward.
    What is the key elements of leadership to you? To me a good leader emphasizes the importance of love, elegance, caring, and inclusivity. To you what does a good leader emphasize? Chaney emphasized power, dominance, and fear, while Obama emphasizes power, dominance, and mockery. Both of them are hated by far more people than those that admire them, and both of them are seen as assholes by many people. A bad leader is interested in his own ego and his own power, while a good leader is interested in making people better persons and to possibly raise them to be leaders themselves. The fact is, and I think we both agree on this, is that both Obama and Cheney are the worst kind of leaders. They divide their people, make them hate each other, feel powerless, and fear them and the government. The worst of it all is that Obama and Cheney are exactly the kind of leader the people want.

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    Re: Who is smarter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What is the key elements of leadership to you? To me a good leader emphasizes the importance of love, elegance, caring, and inclusivity. To you what does a good leader emphasize? Chaney emphasized power, dominance, and fear, while Obama emphasizes power, dominance, and mockery. Both of them are hated by far more people than those that admire them, and both of them are seen as assholes by many people. A bad leader is interested in his own ego and his own power, while a good leader is interested in making people better persons and to possibly raise them to be leaders themselves. The fact is, and I think we both agree on this, is that both Obama and Cheney are the worst kind of leaders. They divide their people, make them hate each other, feel powerless, and fear them and the government. The worst of it all is that Obama and Cheney are exactly the kind of leader the people want.
    As usual, you have made good points. My point is this, you have this warmongering crowd of people like Cheney that have never seen a war that they do not like. Obama at least is smart enough to understand that **** is foolishness, is a waste of money, and is a waste of young American lives. You have that idiot from Israel that just gave a speech to Congress who is trying to bamboozle the American people like Cheney did. Obama at least is intelligent enough to try stop it. That is the point.

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    Re: Who is smarter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    As usual, you have made good points. My point is this, you have this warmongering crowd of people like Cheney that have never seen a war that they do not like. Obama at least is smart enough to understand that **** is foolishness, is a waste of money, and is a waste of young American lives. You have that idiot from Israel that just gave a speech to Congress who is trying to bamboozle the American people like Cheney did. Obama at least is intelligent enough to try stop it. That is the point.
    And that is another thing. Many people in this country actually want their government around the world pushing our interests on other countries and their leaders. They fail to realize that a good leader does not put his people in unneeded danger even if he might feel that another countries cause is just and their enemies are wrong. Personally, I have no idea who is right or wrong in the Israel struggle, but I know this, taking peoples land with a war treaty and giving that land to someone else is wrong. It might be true that the land was once stolen, but the men, women and children that live on that land today are not responsible for the actions of those that came before them and should not have their land taken from them because of the deeds of those that came before them. On that note however, it is also wrong to say that the men and women and children that live their today are responsible for the actions of those involved in the treaty. It is best to leave things as they lie and forget about the deeds of those that have long pasted. Moving forward sometimes means that deeds like the US stealing the land of the natives or the stealing the land of Israel is forgotten, and while that is wrong in it's own way, it is far more wrong to take peoples homes from them for deeds they themselves did not commit.

    Just my two cents.

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    Re: Who is smarter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And that is another thing. Many people in this country actually want their government around the world pushing our interests on other countries and their leaders. They fail to realize that a good leader does not put his people in unneeded danger even if he might feel that another countries cause is just and their enemies are wrong. Personally, I have no idea who is right or wrong in the Israel struggle, but I know this, taking peoples land with a war treaty and giving that land to someone else is wrong. It might be true that the land was once stolen, but the men, women and children that live on that land today are not responsible for the actions of those that came before them and should not have their land taken from them because of the deeds of those that came before them. On that note however, it is also wrong to say that the men and women and children that live their today are responsible for the actions of those involved in the treaty. It is best to leave things as they lie and forget about the deeds of those that have long pasted. Moving forward sometimes means that deeds like the US stealing the land of the natives or the stealing the land of Israel is forgotten, and while that is wrong in it's own way, it is far more wrong to take peoples homes from them for deeds they themselves did not commit.

    Just my two cents.
    Good post. The underlined was especially to the point.

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    Re: Who is smarter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Good post. The underlined was especially to the point.
    you still have completely failed to prove your CDS point. Your complaints about Cheney are based on policy

    FAIL



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