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Thread: The Sovereignty of USA

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Don't act as though it is the same to read a man's opinion and having him hold a highly visible speech before the legislative of the United States against the will of the President.

    PS: Why would anyone think that politicians would not do things for political gain? The whole political system is build on the assumption that they do. So where is the beef?
    Oh come on...it is exactly the same. What possible difference does it make to the content of the speech if it is given in Congress or Israel? None.
    It maybe more dramatic in Congress...but that changes NOTHING that is in the text.
    Plus, the speech is about the same thing that Netanyahu has been spouting for about 20 years.
    One of the most famous speeches/statements in the 20th century was the 'peace in our time' phrase uttered by Chamberlain on an airport tarmac.
    What is said is what matters, not where one says it.
    Do you honestly think that ANYONE in Congress had their mind changed by the speech? Not a chance.


    Fine, think what you want.

    To me, this was nothing more then Boehner trying to humiliate Obama by using Netanyahu as the means to this end. And there is nothing in his speech that - in essence - he has not been saying for many years.
    Everyone with a working brain who has followed this knew almost exactly what Bibi was going to say - in essence - before he set foot in Congress...Iran is evil, threat to the world's peace, full of terrorists, wish to wipe Osrael off the map, must be stopped, they will have nukes soon, never negotiate, blah, blah, blah.

    I am neither dem nor rep...but to me it is ridiculously obvious that the only reason Boehner invited that increasingly paranoid Israeli leader (whose own security services keep having to correct through leaks) was for political gain and NOTHING else PLUS that it served no practical purpose - since everyone in Congress knew almost exactly what was going to be said weeks before he even said it.

    Complete waste of time to me.
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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by süt View Post


    Netanyahu could be right or wrong, could make any kind of speech; but in a non-Israeli congress He tells Us reps what to do and how to do, calls for more wars and blood of US soldiers and people in congress applause him for 4 minutes.

    When I take a look at the picture, the first thing that came to my mind is the title of this thread.
    He was not telling the US what to do he was conveying the Israeli position which is that this is a bad deal not only for Israel but for the world.

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Only God is sovereign.

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    He was not telling the US what to do he was conveying the Israeli position which is that this is a bad deal not only for Israel but for the world.
    And it was his DUTY as PM of Israel to do it.

    He opened with high compliments for Obama, but clearly disagreed on the leaked details.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...tent-iran.html
    IMO, and that of many others, was Obama and Kerry were Folding and about to conclude a "best we can get" Unacceptable agreement, just to have an agreement.

    I was against him coming as a breach of Protocol, but he give a excellent and well-reasoned speech.
    It actually HELPS the USA and West, and moves the negotiating position more in Our favor.
    It shines the light of day on the talks/issues/Concessions (see my link above), and Now it will be harder for Iran to get, and us to give, an Ineffective agreement-for-agreement's sake.

    Obama has been such an amateur and dupe on Foreign affairs, starting with his Apologetics-to-Muslims Speech in Cairo.
    He's just incredibly naive.
    (to be kind)
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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I will. And don't want to see either side doing this.
    Most of the people complaining about Netenyahu don't give two ****s about America's sovereignty. They mock it.They support things that encourage illegal entry into our country such as amnesty.Heck even the ones all glad about Netenyahu being here also globalist.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    He was not telling the US what to do he was conveying the Israeli position which is that this is a bad deal not only for Israel but for the world.
    Well **** that freak. Russia, China, the UK, Germany, France and the US disagree with him. And, he's been wrong only for about ever!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Most of the people complaining about Netenyahu don't give two ****s about America's sovereignty. They mock it.They support things that encourage illegal entry into our country such as amnesty.Heck even the ones all glad about Netenyahu being here also globalist.
    Perhaps. But that wouldn't be me.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Yes. Yes it is. Does AIPAC have a lot of influential power? Does that make the US not sovereign? No.


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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well **** that freak. Russia, China, the UK, Germany, France and the US disagree with him. And, he's been wrong only for about ever!
    Fairly sure that the US agrees with him that this deal is BS, if Obama tries to sign this treaty without Senate ratification then it's impeachment time, this is not the Russian Federation, we do not live under a dictator.

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by süt View Post


    Netanyahu could be right or wrong, could make any kind of speech; but in a non-Israeli congress He tells Us reps what to do and how to do, calls for more wars and blood of US soldiers and people in congress applause him for 4 minutes.

    When I take a look at the picture, the first thing that came to my mind is the title of this thread.
    Our country moves as far as money will allow. Netanyahu can say anything he wants; GW Bush did... But there is a lot of foreign money and thanks to citizen's united our sovereignty could get real thin in times to come.
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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