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Thread: The Sovereignty of USA

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Your messages on the forum do indicate that is your opinion of Jews.
    That is my opinion of that one, indeed.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Im all for free speech but I think its disrespectful for a foreigner to be invited into congress by American politicians to disparage the president. I have nothing against American politicians disparaging the president- but to invite a foreigner into Congress to do that against the wishes of the POTUS borders on treason.

    For the record, I hate Obama, I think he is one of the worst presidents ever. But with that being said he is the president and therefore the chief diplomat and commander in chief for our country. When it comes to foreign relations he is in charge of that and despite my dislike for him I am loyal to him ahead of any foreign dignitary and he should not be criticized by any foreigner in our own house of government- no other country would allow that to happen to their head of state in their own seat of government yet thats what Boner and his allies did.
    So you were equally as pissed when the Dixie Chicks did this to Bush? That's the whole point I was getting at here. That several on the right seem to be cheering on Netanyahu for disparaging Obama, but those same people were jumping up and down, burning Dixie Chicks CDs when they spoke against Bush in Europe. Just seems like a double standard is all I am getting at, and I am not accusing you or Monte of doing this. Not at all. Quite the contrary, actually.
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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    So you were equally as pissed when the Dixie Chicks did this to Bush? That's the whole point I was getting at here. That several on the right seem to be cheering on Netanyahu for disparaging Obama, but those same people were jumping up and down, burning Dixie Chicks CDs when they spoke against Bush in Europe. Just seems like a double standard is all I am getting at, and I am not accusing you or Monte of doing this. Not at all. Quite the contrary, actually.
    If the Dixie chicks were invited into congress to disparage Bush and was given a standing ovation I would be slightly peeved by it but they are citizens of the US so in my view its fine. What is disturbing to me about Bibi's speech was that he was a foreign head of state who did it and it was done by invitation by Obama's political enemies.

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yep.

    Under the interim deal that brought Iran to the table, he (Obama) explained, the United States is not supposed to initiate any new sanctions. While the bill would technically simply set a timeline for new sanctions, "I assure you that is not how Iran would interpret it," Mr. Obama said.
    If we are going to complain about a foreign leaders telling our congress what to support and not support then we should complain about both sides doing it.
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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If we are going to complain about a foreign leaders telling our congress what to support and not support then we should complain about both sides doing it.
    I will. And don't want to see either side doing this.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Really? "America needs to send more blood and treasure to attack the Muslims who pose NO threat to American sovereignty!!!!"
    Possibly. But that was not the topic. The question was, whether it is a sovereign act for Congress to ask a foreign head of government to speak and not about whether you want to allow someone to say something you don't want to hear.

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Im all for free speech but I think its disrespectful for a foreigner to be invited into congress by American politicians to disparage the president. I have nothing against American politicians disparaging the president- but to invite a foreigner into Congress to do that against the wishes of the POTUS borders on treason.

    For the record, I hate Obama, I think he is one of the worst presidents ever. But with that being said he is the president and therefore the chief diplomat and commander in chief for our country. When it comes to foreign relations he is in charge of that and despite my dislike for him I am loyal to him ahead of any foreign dignitary and he should not be criticized by any foreigner in our own house of government- no other country would allow that to happen to their head of state in their own seat of government yet thats what Boner and his allies did.
    I have to bite my tongue in my "real life" when my non-American friends start saying **** about our President - any President of any party - or our lawmakers, period. While I'm a fan of relations between countries and all of that, I also draw the line somewhere. On here I'm more open to what non-Americans say about us because that's in the spirit of the board.

    I also can't stand Obama (I won't use the word hate) but I agree that it's not right for a foreigner to come into his house and criticize him. I was thinking about this last night. I'm a manager of a sales team. I realize that it would really, really bother me if my team went behind my back and invited someone to come speak to them and in the speech, that someone criticized me. I would be mad at my team for that. I think Obama should be mad.

    That said, that doesn't mean I agree with the way Obama is handling Iran, and I don't agree with the people who say Israel should be left unprotected or whatever, but from Obama's POV, I'd be pretty pissed.
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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    If that was done due to the hate towards Obama, I think there is some serious problems in USA poitics and among politicians; Moreover, Treason is not far away from the minds of many in the current congress.

    That is the weakest point of USA noted after this event.

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Is that the way you see it? Funny. I think it a very sovereign thing to do, for the Legislative to bring in a foreign head of government to listen to his take on a problem facing us. I think it could be a good precedent.
    Oh, come on now. So Netanyahu had to come all the way from Israel just to tell Congress what he has been telling everyone for roughly 20 years about Iran's nuclear program?
    And even if what he was saying was new, surely Congress reads/listens to the news. They would have heard it when he said it in Israel. This is not 1915...politicians do not need to travel to Congress to state their cases...all they have to do is state it at home to the media and instantly it will be freely available to every politician.

    I find it hard to believe that you honestly think that the number one reason why Boehner invited Netanyahu was not for political gain.

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Oh, come on now. So Netanyahu had to come all the way from Israel just to tell Congress what he has been telling everyone for roughly 20 years about Iran's nuclear program?
    And even if what he was saying was new, surely Congress reads/listens to the news. They would have heard it when he said it in Israel. This is not 1915...politicians do not need to travel to Congress to state their cases...all they have to do is state it at home to the media and instantly it will be freely available to every politician.

    I find it hard to believe that you honestly think that the number one reason why Boehner invited Netanyahu was not for political gain.
    Don't act as though it is the same to read a man's opinion and having him hold a highly visible speech before the legislative of the United States against the will of the President.

    PS: Why would anyone think that politicians would not do things for political gain? The whole political system is build on the assumption that they do. So where is the beef?

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