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Thread: The Sovereignty of USA

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Wasn't really responding to the OP with my question, but more commenting on what Monte and PoS said - that it seems OK to allow others to come here and disparage a sitting President. That begged the question from me, of why it was OK to allow that to happen, but if someone did it on foreign soil, it wouldn't be OK.
    But I don't see that POS ever said that. He didn't seem to think it was okay at all. To me his post was a display of his disgust towards Congress for cheering the PM of Israel for criticizing our President. Monte didn't either seem to think it was okay either. Just how I read their posts.

    Maybe I just didn't understand how their posts were a segue to your question.
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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Wasn't really responding to the OP with my question, but more commenting on what Monte and PoS said - that it seems OK to allow others to come here and disparage a sitting President. That begged the question from me, of why it was OK to allow that to happen, but if someone did it on foreign soil, it wouldn't be OK.
    We'll wait for PoS to explain himself, but like tb, I think you misunderstand him. For myself, to the bolded in your post, I don't think that?!?!?!
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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Is that the way you see it? Funny. I think it a very sovereign thing to do, for the Legislative to bring in a foreign head of government to listen to his take on a problem facing us. I think it could be a good precedent.
    Really? "America needs to send more blood and treasure to attack the Muslims who pose NO threat to American sovereignty!!!!"
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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    We can't forget that some of our conservative Christian politicians want to get armageddon going as soon as possible, so its not surprising that they love a war-mongering politician from the muddle east. Perhaps we should stop pretending and make Israel a state. (although someone will have to write an exception to the first amendment so that it can remain a theocracy)

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    We'll wait for PoS to explain himself, but like tb, I think you misunderstand him. For myself, to the bolded in your post, I don't think that?!?!?!
    No, no - I don't think you feel that way.

    Now, I could be wrong, as I was once before, but I got the impression that you, and PoS, were both against Netanyahu coming here, disparaging Obama. I, too, am against this, and am also against Congress cheering his doing so.

    My question was why it was OK for a foreigner to come to America and talk badly about a President, but it was not ok for an American to go to a foreign country and talk badly about the President.

    It just seems like a double standard to me.
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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    No, no - I don't think you feel that way.

    Now, I could be wrong, as I was once before, but I got the impression that you, and PoS, were both against Netanyahu coming here, disparaging Obama. I, too, am against this, and am also against Congress cheering his doing so.

    My question was why it was OK for a foreigner to come to America and talk badly about a President, but it was not ok for an American to go to a foreign country and talk badly about the President.

    It just seems like a double standard to me.
    I don't know that either are good, but I certainly consider it a vastly worse crime for congress to invite a foreigner to their halls, and then drool all over him as he ridicules our presidents foreign policy. I think that that is sick, and hope dearly that this doesn't get repeated by another congress.
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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by süt View Post


    Netanyahu could be right or wrong, could make any kind of speech; but in a non-Israeli congress He tells Us reps what to do and how to do, calls for more wars and blood of US soldiers and people in congress applause him for 4 minutes.

    When I take a look at the picture, the first thing that came to my mind is the title of this thread.
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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Yep.

    Under the interim deal that brought Iran to the table, he (Obama) explained, the United States is not supposed to initiate any new sanctions. While the bill would technically simply set a timeline for new sanctions, "I assure you that is not how Iran would interpret it," Mr. Obama said.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Thats the point. Republicans hate Obama so much that they're ok with this freak coming to America to tell us what to do.
    Your messages on the forum do indicate that is your opinion of Jews.

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    Re: The Sovereignty of USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    So it's OK for a foreigner to come here and disparage the President, in America, but when the President is disparaged in front of foreigners on their own soil - that makes it OK?
    Im all for free speech but I think its disrespectful for a foreigner to be invited into congress by American politicians to disparage the president. I have nothing against American politicians disparaging the president- but to invite a foreigner into Congress to do that against the wishes of the POTUS borders on treason.

    For the record, I hate Obama, I think he is one of the worst presidents ever. But with that being said he is the president and therefore the chief diplomat and commander in chief for our country. When it comes to foreign relations he is in charge of that and despite my dislike for him I am loyal to him ahead of any foreign dignitary and he should not be criticized by any foreigner in our own house of government- no other country would allow that to happen to their head of state in their own seat of government yet thats what Boner and his allies did.

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