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    Re: Anti-abortion Violence, how do you view it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    But it is a fair statement/term as is Radical Islam... right?
    yes it is fair, i have no problem with the term radical islam even though its a subjective thing(meaning we don't all define it the same)

    I have no problem with muslim/christian etc etc terrorism either as long as somebody isnt trying to paint all of the people belonging to that religion as terrorist.

    they are completely fair terms in context
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    Re: Anti-abortion Violence, how do you view it?

    having dealt personally with anti abortion terrorism (Look up John Brockhoeft and the "Army of God")
    most of them are women hating castratis who think abortion is retroactive emasculation



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    Re: Anti-abortion Violence, how do you view it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    having dealt personally with anti abortion terrorism (Look up John Brockhoeft and the "Army of God")
    most of them are women hating castratis who think abortion is retroactive emasculation
    My thoughts and experiences mirror this.

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    Re: Anti-abortion Violence, how do you view it?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    in SOME cases that is what it is, terrorism based on ones personal subjective view of thier religion

    luckily as a Christian myself i know no Christian in real life that would ever support this insanity
    Don't pull a No True Scotsman. Horrific and violent interpretations of religion are just as legitimate as peaceful and positive ones. That's one of the big problems with religion. It tries to be in every part of your life and relies on vague poetry and conflicting ideas to maintain its hold. You cannot excuse the religious motivation of this kind of terrorism any more than any others. If you want Christianity to no longer be responsible for this kind of thing, you need to take a pair scissors to the bible and cut out most of it. Take out all the violence and the misogyny, and the all powerful god so that religious ideas are subject to reasonable discussion instead of shutting it all down with an appeal to authority.
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    Re: Anti-abortion Violence, how do you view it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    1.) Don't pull a No True Scotsman. Horrific and violent interpretations of religion are just as legitimate as peaceful and positive ones. 2.)That's one of the big problems with religion.
    3.) It tries to be in every part of your life and relies on vague poetry and conflicting ideas to maintain its hold.
    4.) You cannot excuse the religious motivation of this kind of terrorism any more than any others.
    5.) If you want Christianity to no longer be responsible for this kind of thing, you need to take a pair scissors to the bible and cut out most of it.
    6.) Take out all the violence and the misogyny, and the all powerful god so that religious ideas are subject to reasonable discussion instead of shutting it all down with an appeal to authority.
    1.) i dont agree with that at all . . . . yes in some cases acts good or bad can be justified by a religion . . . but some are simply made up also
    2.) I do agree interpretation, false causes and a want to force religion on others is a huge problem
    3.) i agree with this too religion they way it is written and most certainly how people interpret it and live it greatly conflicts
    4.) ??? well i most certainly wasn't excusing terrorism so thats not a concern
    5.) "christianity" isnt responsible for this, ****ed up retarded evil people are responsible. Saying Christianity is responsible is like saying short skirts are responsible for rape plays no more a role in this than
    6.) well i agree those things are definitely in there but like i said NORMAL people can discuss religion reasonably, i myself have done so with many people
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    Re: Anti-abortion Violence, how do you view it?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) who, people here think normal protesting is violence?
    I doubt it was here since I do not frequent the abortion threads here, but I know I have seen people make that argument on message boards. If I had to guess, it was on another site I no longer go to that had some hardcore zealots, including the mod of that subforum who was fond of dinking/thread banning people not equally hardcore which is why I no longer go to that site.

    2.) again, it "can" be but in general i would say it is
    Did you mean "isn't" or do you consider trespassing violence against property?
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    Re: Anti-abortion Violence, how do you view it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    1.)I doubt it was here since I do not frequent the abortion threads here, but I know I have seen people make that argument on message boards. If I had to guess, it was on another site I no longer go to that had some hardcore zealots, including the mod of that subforum who was fond of dinking/thread banning people not equally hardcore which is why I no longer go to that site.


    2.)Did you mean "isn't" or do you consider trespassing violence against property?
    1.) well thats nuts and i dont agree because the definition of the word doesnt allow me to agree
    2.) lol yep definitely met isn't
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    Re: Anti-abortion Violence, how do you view it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Don't pull a No True Scotsman. Horrific and violent interpretations of religion are just as legitimate as peaceful and positive ones. That's one of the big problems with religion. It tries to be in every part of your life and relies on vague poetry and conflicting ideas to maintain its hold. You cannot excuse the religious motivation of this kind of terrorism any more than any others. If you want Christianity to no longer be responsible for this kind of thing, you need to take a pair scissors to the bible and cut out most of it. Take out all the violence and the misogyny, and the all powerful god so that religious ideas are subject to reasonable discussion instead of shutting it all down with an appeal to authority.
    People do not need to take scissors to the Bible. People are relativists. They believe and act on the parts they like and not in accordance to the parts they do not like. IT is not a problem with religion. It is a problem with humans.
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    Re: Anti-abortion Violence, how do you view it?

    It's criminal and I am opposed to it. I don't believe in "evil", but I believe that it is wrong acts done for a wrong purpose.

    That said, for someone who genuinely believes that abortion is murder, I can certainly understand their willingness to engage in violence. If someone were murdering my neighbors and the government were sitting back and just letting them, I'd take up arms myself. The law is no substitute for what is right and what is wrong.

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    Re: Anti-abortion Violence, how do you view it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    It's criminal and I am opposed to it. I don't believe in "evil", but I believe that it is wrong acts done for a wrong purpose.

    That said, for someone who genuinely believes that abortion is murder, I can certainly understand their willingness to engage in violence. If someone were murdering my neighbors and the government were sitting back and just letting them, I'd take up arms myself. The law is no substitute for what is right and what is wrong.
    I understand what you mean about the bolded part but that could be said for ANY subjective personal belief of right and wrong
    That would be anarchy, I agree law is no substitute but where does it stop. I don't believe that "slippery slope arguments" are ever really valid but this one does seem to fit.
    I guess im just trying to point out lots of people have subjective "beliefs" and if they all started bombing and shooting based on thier believes things would get ugly fast.
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