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Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?


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I need a maybe. I did see a honeybee this morning when I was walking the dog. Flew right up to my chest and just hovered there at the zipper on my jacket. First one of the year. It might ice and snow in the morning though.
 
Probably yes, but you can't just ban a pesticide if there is no alternative for it on the market unless there is a critical reason to do so. So yes they should be illegal, but with some caveats.
 
A lot of crops that will be ravaged by other critters if anything potentially detrimental to bees is outlawed.

Then we need to find ways of killing pests without killing bees. It can be done.
 
I am a beekeeper, and I DON'T support the idea of making pesticides which harm them, illegal. We've been keeping bees in this country for many years now, and they aren't the cause of bee colony declines.
 
Then we need to find ways of killing pests without killing bees. It can be done.

It can be done without banning all pesticides. I am all for banning neonicotinoids but not things like Sevin because of the latter's utility in eliminating other crop pests. A lot depends on better practices. I don't use insecticides at all on my food crops, but I acknowledge that society is not ready for the shortages that would be caused by banning pesticides. In addition, if there is a yellow jacket nest in my yard, I do not want to have to dump gas down the hole to kill the muthas.
 
I am a beekeeper, and I DON'T support the idea of making pesticides which harm them, illegal. We've been keeping bees in this country for many years now, and they aren't the cause of bee colony declines.

Have you seen those new flow hives? pretty cool stuff if they work like advertised.
 
Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

I would vote "other"

Insecticides (I prefer that term because these chemicals kill all sort of insects, many of whom are beneficial, and not just pests) should be strictly regulated and only be licensed for use under extreme conditions and only when non-insecticidal methods of controling pests have been implemented but failed to prevent a large-scale infestation
 
It can be done without banning all pesticides. I am all for banning neonicotinoids but not things like Sevin because of the latter's utility in eliminating other crop pests. A lot depends on better practices. I don't use insecticides at all on my food crops, but I acknowledge that society is not ready for the shortages that would be caused by banning pesticides. In addition, if there is a yellow jacket nest in my yard, I do not want to have to dump gas down the hole to kill the muthas.
Then let's not ban all pesticides, as that would be unnecessary and counter productive. The neonicotinoids do need to be banned on crops pollinated by bees.

and what's wrong with dumping gas down a yellow jacket's nest and burning the little buggers? It's effective. Nasty creatures, yellow jackets. Step on their nest, and they attack. Quit running too soon, and you're toast.
 
Probably yes, but you can't just ban a pesticide if there is no alternative for it on the market unless there is a critical reason to do so. So yes they should be illegal, but with some caveats.

There are alternatives. As a group those alternatives are known as "Intergrated Pest Management" (IPM)
Integrated pest management - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Then we need to find ways of killing pests without killing bees. It can be done.



It has been done
 
Then let's not ban all pesticides, as that would be unnecessary and counter productive. The neonicotinoids do need to be banned on crops pollinated by bees.

and what's wrong with dumping gas down a yellow jacket's nest and burning the little buggers? It's effective. Nasty creatures, yellow jackets. Step on their nest, and they attack. Quit running too soon, and you're toast.

I have a creek meandering through my property. I would rather keep petroleum out of the watershed. Besides, one of my brothers can get me chemicals that can take down the Green Hornet on contact--why spend money on gas when I can get the nuclear pesticides for free ;)
 
Should they be illegal...

Well, I want to be able to eat fresh fruits and veg, so I'm going to vote yes.
 
Then let's not ban all pesticides, as that would be unnecessary and counter productive. The neonicotinoids do need to be banned on crops pollinated by bees.

and what's wrong with dumping gas down a yellow jacket's nest and burning the little buggers? It's effective. Nasty creatures, yellow jackets. Step on their nest, and they attack. Quit running too soon, and you're toast.

I use WD-40 on Yellow jacket nests=-spray liberally at night-run about 15" of cannon fuse down the hole and light it

the oil sticks to the wasps and those that don't fry are killed by the oxygen burning up in their nests

but here is a neat way to whack yellow jackets-especiallyin the fall where they become more carnivorous

one-get a bucket of water and add some liquid soap

two-get some raw hamburger and some "hardware cloth"

make a ball out of the hardware cloth with the hamburger inside it

hang it about 2 inches above the water in the bucket

yellow jackets love eating raw hamburger. They will land on the hardware cloth to eat the hamburger

they have to drop a couple inches to start flying and they will fall into the soapy water and drown. -the soap makes it harder to see the water line. I did this a few years ago and drowned several hundred of the little buggers
 
Have you seen those new flow hives? pretty cool stuff if they work like advertised.

Hmm, not familiar with them, but will look them up. I use a modified Kenyan hive that I built myself.
 
I would vote "other"

Insecticides (I prefer that term because these chemicals kill all sort of insects, many of whom are beneficial, and not just pests) should be strictly regulated and only be licensed for use under extreme conditions and only when non-insecticidal methods of controling pests have been implemented but failed to prevent a large-scale infestation

Although I understand the reasoning, and I've practiced IPM for at least a couple of decades, I don't think it's practical to make this a regulatory requirment. I don't even use organic controls, and I hand-pick often. The only thing resembling a pesticide that I use, is Bt for corn earworms. The problem with the alternatives and IPM is that it is very time and labor intensive, and can become very expensive.
 
Although I understand the reasoning, and I've practiced IPM for at least a couple of decades, I don't think it's practical to make this a regulatory requirment. I don't even use organic controls, and I hand-pick often. The only thing resembling a pesticide that I use, is Bt for corn earworms. The problem with the alternatives and IPM is that it is very time and labor intensive, and can become very expensive.

Mineral oil as soon as the silks start browning is supposed to be a good alternative to bt. I usually plant several plots far apart so that if they end up on one plot of corn, they are more likely to leave the others alone. Sevin can be used in such a way as to have a lower impact on bees, but idiots dump so much of the stuff out on their plants that it looks like an explosion in a flour factory. I use Tempo SC Ultra on bee hives and such I want to kill, but keep it away from the edibles. In my area, the honey bees are usually gone by the time the garden is blooming anyways now so I am more into fostering the bumble bees.
 
Although I understand the reasoning, and I've practiced IPM for at least a couple of decades, I don't think it's practical to make this a regulatory requirment. I don't even use organic controls, and I hand-pick often. The only thing resembling a pesticide that I use, is Bt for corn earworms. The problem with the alternatives and IPM is that it is very time and labor intensive, and can become very expensive.

I've not seen any credible evidence that IPM is time and labor intensive but I have seen evidence for the opposite. In addition, it saves the expense of buying and applying insecticides

In my experience, the criticisms of IPM revolve around it's potential complexity which requires greater managerial skills.
 
I see this poll has been jacked by non-members-I wonder if its turds who have been banned who do this crap

it sure is annoying
 
Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

Absolutely. When I moved into my house 20 years ago, there were honeybees all over the place. There are none, now. I saw some native bees last year (they look like big flies and are black). I don't know if they pollinate, or if they pollinate the same things.
 
Should they be illegal...

Well, I want to be able to eat fresh fruits and veg, so I'm going to vote yes.

The hordes of locust appreciate your support.
 
Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

Unless we're going to construct a bunch of robot drone bees to do it, we're pretty well dependent upon them.
 
Honeybees are pretty damn important to our ecosystem. Actually, they are probably one of the most important creatures. Concessions and sacrifices need to be made to protect them.
 
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