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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Honeybees are pretty damn important to our ecosystem. Actually, they are probably one of the most important creatures. Concessions and sacrifices need to be made to protect them.
    Quick question: What's the #1 pollinator of wild plants?? Here's a hint - It isn't bees.
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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    BINGO!!!! Look folks, real information from an expert and not reactionary crap made up as a way to attack big corporations that some people don't like. .
    Yes, much of it is just an emotional reactive response to an idea. I don't like pesticides any more than the next organic nut, but we have to deal with reality here. We have huge populations to feed, and those populations want CHEAP food. You're not going to get cheap food by growing it organically. If it worked, they'd already be doing it on a huge scale. Food for humans overrides ideology and emotional reactions.
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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Those are reactionary techniques and smart farmers know that you have to get ahead of infestations, not behind them.
    IPM is not reactionary
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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Quick question: What's the #1 pollinator of wild plants?? Here's a hint - It isn't bees.
    Heh! It's true that, by some measures, honeybees are not the best pollilnators. In fact, there are bees that are more efficient pollinators than honeybees.

    However, there are plants that depend on honeybees for pollination. They are a critical pollinator
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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Yes, much of it is just an emotional reactive response to an idea. I don't like pesticides any more than the next organic nut, but we have to deal with reality here. We have huge populations to feed, and those populations want CHEAP food. You're not going to get cheap food by growing it organically. If it worked, they'd already be doing it on a huge scale. Food for humans overrides ideology and emotional reactions.
    Organic farms can not be only be just as productive as farms that use chemical fertilizers and pesticides - they can be more productive

    And the aount of food being produced by organic farms is increasing at a greater rate than that of "factory" farms
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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Heh! It's true that, by some measures, honeybees are not the best pollilnators. In fact, there are bees that are more efficient pollinators than honeybees.

    However, there are plants that depend on honeybees for pollination. They are a critical pollinator
    Yes, and most of those plants provide food for the seven billion humans who inhabit this pale blue dot we all live on.
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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    IPM is not reactionary
    Insecticides (I prefer that term because these chemicals kill all sort of insects, many of whom are beneficial, and not just pests) should be strictly regulated and only be licensed for use under extreme conditions and only when non-insecticidal methods of controling pests have been implemented but failed to prevent a large-scale infestation
    Situations that arise after the infestestation, not before. The damage has been done or is currently happening. Smart farmers stop the damage before it takes a toll. If they wait until the damage has hit a point where it's "extreme" or "large scale", then it's usually too late. Getting ahead and staying ahead of infestations is the only way to successfully stop them from doing great harm to the farmers crops. What you're proposing reminds of the year that we got cutworms in our petunias. Almost all of the flowers suddenly died in a matter of a couple days. My wife told me that I needed to I needed to spray them all, but at that point it was too late. Had hit the flowers with a good systemic spray 3 weeks prior, we would have saved our petunias.
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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Organic farms can not be only be just as productive as farms that use chemical fertilizers and pesticides - they can be more productive

    And the aount of food being produced by organic farms is increasing at a greater rate than that of "factory" farms
    Sorry, but that's simply not true. Factory farms are designed for high output, if organic was able to out-produce them, they'd be using organic. Keep in mind that my grandfather was doing sustainable, organic farming long before anyone ever thought of the term "organic"). Ha had a medium sized farm and raised chickens (eggs), cattle and sheep. He fertilized his fields using the chicken manure and rotated his fields between the cattle and the sheep to help keep them healthy. He got better yields from his livestock than anyone anywhere even vaguely close to him as a result (this was in the '50-early 70s). I've seen how that kind of farming can be done, but I also know that if it was that simple to do, then the big factory farms would be all over it. But they aren't, since it doesn't produce the results they can get from using chemical fertilizers, pest controls, etc. It's simple economics and the cold-hearted, completely amoral corps. that run these farms are going to do what works and if organic worked as you claim, they'd be all over it...
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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Heh! It's true that, by some measures, honeybees are not the best pollilnators. In fact, there are bees that are more efficient pollinators than honeybees.

    However, there are plants that depend on honeybees for pollination. They are a critical pollinator
    Do you even know what the #1 wild plant pollinator is??
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