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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    It can be done without banning all pesticides. I am all for banning neonicotinoids but not things like Sevin because of the latter's utility in eliminating other crop pests. A lot depends on better practices. I don't use insecticides at all on my food crops, but I acknowledge that society is not ready for the shortages that would be caused by banning pesticides. In addition, if there is a yellow jacket nest in my yard, I do not want to have to dump gas down the hole to kill the muthas.
    Then let's not ban all pesticides, as that would be unnecessary and counter productive. The neonicotinoids do need to be banned on crops pollinated by bees.

    and what's wrong with dumping gas down a yellow jacket's nest and burning the little buggers? It's effective. Nasty creatures, yellow jackets. Step on their nest, and they attack. Quit running too soon, and you're toast.
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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Probably yes, but you can't just ban a pesticide if there is no alternative for it on the market unless there is a critical reason to do so. So yes they should be illegal, but with some caveats.
    There are alternatives. As a group those alternatives are known as "Intergrated Pest Management" (IPM)
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    Then we need to find ways of killing pests without killing bees. It can be done.


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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Then let's not ban all pesticides, as that would be unnecessary and counter productive. The neonicotinoids do need to be banned on crops pollinated by bees.

    and what's wrong with dumping gas down a yellow jacket's nest and burning the little buggers? It's effective. Nasty creatures, yellow jackets. Step on their nest, and they attack. Quit running too soon, and you're toast.
    I have a creek meandering through my property. I would rather keep petroleum out of the watershed. Besides, one of my brothers can get me chemicals that can take down the Green Hornet on contact--why spend money on gas when I can get the nuclear pesticides for free
    If I blow the conch and they don't come back; then we've had it. We shan't keep the fire going. We'll be like animals. We'll never be rescued.

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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Should they be illegal...

    Well, I want to be able to eat fresh fruits and veg, so I'm going to vote yes.
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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by RFR View Post
    Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?
    Yes, who would even suggest otherwise.
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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Then let's not ban all pesticides, as that would be unnecessary and counter productive. The neonicotinoids do need to be banned on crops pollinated by bees.

    and what's wrong with dumping gas down a yellow jacket's nest and burning the little buggers? It's effective. Nasty creatures, yellow jackets. Step on their nest, and they attack. Quit running too soon, and you're toast.
    I use WD-40 on Yellow jacket nests=-spray liberally at night-run about 15" of cannon fuse down the hole and light it

    the oil sticks to the wasps and those that don't fry are killed by the oxygen burning up in their nests

    but here is a neat way to whack yellow jackets-especiallyin the fall where they become more carnivorous

    one-get a bucket of water and add some liquid soap

    two-get some raw hamburger and some "hardware cloth"

    make a ball out of the hardware cloth with the hamburger inside it

    hang it about 2 inches above the water in the bucket

    yellow jackets love eating raw hamburger. They will land on the hardware cloth to eat the hamburger

    they have to drop a couple inches to start flying and they will fall into the soapy water and drown. -the soap makes it harder to see the water line. I did this a few years ago and drowned several hundred of the little buggers



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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Have you seen those new flow hives? pretty cool stuff if they work like advertised.
    Hmm, not familiar with them, but will look them up. I use a modified Kenyan hive that I built myself.
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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I would vote "other"

    Insecticides (I prefer that term because these chemicals kill all sort of insects, many of whom are beneficial, and not just pests) should be strictly regulated and only be licensed for use under extreme conditions and only when non-insecticidal methods of controling pests have been implemented but failed to prevent a large-scale infestation
    Although I understand the reasoning, and I've practiced IPM for at least a couple of decades, I don't think it's practical to make this a regulatory requirment. I don't even use organic controls, and I hand-pick often. The only thing resembling a pesticide that I use, is Bt for corn earworms. The problem with the alternatives and IPM is that it is very time and labor intensive, and can become very expensive.
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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Although I understand the reasoning, and I've practiced IPM for at least a couple of decades, I don't think it's practical to make this a regulatory requirment. I don't even use organic controls, and I hand-pick often. The only thing resembling a pesticide that I use, is Bt for corn earworms. The problem with the alternatives and IPM is that it is very time and labor intensive, and can become very expensive.
    Mineral oil as soon as the silks start browning is supposed to be a good alternative to bt. I usually plant several plots far apart so that if they end up on one plot of corn, they are more likely to leave the others alone. Sevin can be used in such a way as to have a lower impact on bees, but idiots dump so much of the stuff out on their plants that it looks like an explosion in a flour factory. I use Tempo SC Ultra on bee hives and such I want to kill, but keep it away from the edibles. In my area, the honey bees are usually gone by the time the garden is blooming anyways now so I am more into fostering the bumble bees.
    If I blow the conch and they don't come back; then we've had it. We shan't keep the fire going. We'll be like animals. We'll never be rescued.

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    Re: Should Pesticides that are detrimental to honeybees be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Although I understand the reasoning, and I've practiced IPM for at least a couple of decades, I don't think it's practical to make this a regulatory requirment. I don't even use organic controls, and I hand-pick often. The only thing resembling a pesticide that I use, is Bt for corn earworms. The problem with the alternatives and IPM is that it is very time and labor intensive, and can become very expensive.
    I've not seen any credible evidence that IPM is time and labor intensive but I have seen evidence for the opposite. In addition, it saves the expense of buying and applying insecticides

    In my experience, the criticisms of IPM revolve around it's potential complexity which requires greater managerial skills.
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