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Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?


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What I have said is that greed, if not properly balanced by the notions of sharing and social responsibility can produce a destructive level of hate. Furthermore, I have not denied that I am motivated by a certain level of greed.

How about some examples of greed. Forbes just published a list of billionaires. Are there any on that list who are undeserving by your critieria?
 
How about some examples of greed. Forbes just published a list of billionaires. Are there any on that list who are undeserving by your critieria?

I just said I am motivated by a certain level of greed. That is an example.
 
I think you need to learn to listen. This is not a comparison of capitalism to communism. It is an assertion that capitalism creates an environment that in conducive to the development of greed, more so than systems that are based more on the notions of sharing and social responsibility.

Again, your logic is incorrect, and indefensible.

The concept of comparing and contrasting different parallel systems is quite valid in a discussion.

Since C&C has it's roots in higher education, I can see why you seem unable to grasp the logic.

You have allowed your pigeon-holed viewpoint to stifle an open and honest discussion.
 
I just said I am motivated by a certain level of greed. That is an example.

So on a scale of 1 to 100 on the greed meter, with 1 being low and 100 being high, where are you and where is too much greed?
 
So on a scale of 1 to 100 on the greed meter, with 1 being low and 100 being high, where are you and where is too much greed?

If I did engage in that exercise, what bearing would it have on the topic?
 
If I did engage in that exercise, what bearing would it have on the topic?

From your original post: "Capitalism leverages the greed in humans to fuel productivity. However, greed is based on selfishness, which produces hatred of others."

I'm trying to understand what system doesn't leverage greed and how much greed produces hatred of others. Since you have some level of greed (>0), you must have some level of hatred of others (>0).
 
From your original post: "Capitalism leverages the greed in humans to fuel productivity. However, greed is based on selfishness, which produces hatred of others."

I'm trying to understand what system doesn't leverage greed and how much greed produces hatred of others. Since you have some level of greed (>0), you must have some level of hatred of others (>0).

I can't say I am totally free from hate, and again, if you want to talk about alternatives, start another thread and we can do it.
 
I said SHARING and social responsibility. What's the matter? Is the notion of sharing such a poisonous concept to you that you cannot even say the word?

Only when the terms are arbitrary and for the purpose of empowering corrupt Politicians or dangerous ideology is the notion of " sharing " a poisonous concept.
 
I can't say I am totally free from hate, and again, if you want to talk about alternatives, start another thread and we can do it.

I don't want to talk about alternatives as I don't see any issue. I'm trying to understand your point using a real life example.
 
Although you are correct in that if a person is not mature, their emotions will get the best of them, it does not mean that even those who are mature enough to control them are free from the effects of greed. And to see this one need only to note that there is an increase in the sentiment that the government should not use tax money to do things like provide increased educational opportunities and health care to the less fortunate, more so than say perhaps 50 years ago.

You are referring to the sentiments of right wing libertarians, which is a ideological position not the result of a economic system.
 
True...I suppose that, really, greed, hatred, and other such bring out the worst in people in general, whatever the governmental system in use.

And it's unlikely anyone will try to form a governmental system that is better at preventing such, or modify an existing one for the same purpose....


Because the people in charge have much of those issues themselves

True, people are people no matter where they be. Ideological bias dictates what we see as the least damaging method of economics or government. No doubt that people could think of better ways than what we currently have, or have had. But competing ideologies tend to concentrate on making the competition look worse than them. No solutions just that they are right and everyone else is wrong. We do it they do it everyone does it.
 
That is true. However the competitive pressure is centered on the notion of how to increase profit for the individual, ans a s such it creates an environment that is conducive to the development of greed which produces hate.



It depends on what the competition is centered on. If people are constantly under pressure to compete for scarce resources just to survive, then the best in individual is not brought forward. Rather it develops into a destructive rat race if mechanisms are not put in place to instill a sense of sharing and social responsibility.



In my opinion the discussion of alternatives should be left for another thread. Even one thread devoted to this topic is not sufficient.

Seems kinda a hollow discussion to beat on Capitalism, which has provided the mechanism to provide so much to so many, without even entertaining the discussion about what might possible replace it. So this is little more than a anti-capitalism flogging thread?
 
Seems kinda a hollow discussion to beat on Capitalism, which has provided the mechanism to provide so much to so many, without even entertaining the discussion about what might possible replace it. So this is little more than a anti-capitalism flogging thread?

Yea, pretty much - ignorance is bliss for the slow-witted and the closed-minded.
 
no, there have always been 'haves' and 'have nots,' and people who sought to change those things by many many means.

That's about how simply it breaks down, IMO.
 
Along with the greed, capitalism has played a big role in generating warfare and socio-economic inequality. War and poverty don't result in very nice people.
 
Along with the greed, capitalism has played a big role in generating warfare and socio-economic inequality. War and poverty don't result in very nice people.

Right - no war - and everything will be fine!

We can stave off enemies by using terse words, nasty voice inflections, and bad grammar.

Right.
 
I don't want to talk about alternatives as I don't see any issue. I'm trying to understand your point using a real life example.

Well I gave you one.
 
For your edification.

A stupid response for several reasons

1. I had already said that I am not free from greed which implies that I am not free from hate.

2. If he had asked how would you quantify your present level of hate relative to that of what it would be if you had come up and were living in a system that is more centered on the notions of sharing and social responsibility, it would have had a bearing on the discussion. But such an assessment without any such comparison adds nothing.

3. Asking a person to make such a quantitative, self assessment is flawed because of the inherent bias of such an assessment.

So again, just more garbage.
 
You are referring to the sentiments of right wing libertarians, which is a ideological position not the result of a economic system.

That sentiment is not confined to libertarians.
 
Seems kinda a hollow discussion to beat on Capitalism, which has provided the mechanism to provide so much to so many, without even entertaining the discussion about what might possible replace it. So this is little more than a anti-capitalism flogging thread?

No, I think it is appropriate to have that discussion in another thread because it is rather involved, and not only that, this one is a rather involved topic itself.

Having said that however, what I think needs to be done in addition to having a markets in which government interference is kept to a minimum, would be to put more of an emphasis on education. That would entail creating a superb class of teachers in society. This could be done by training teachers the way we currently train doctors, in that it would require an additional four to five years of training before one could teach. It would mean setting high admission standards into the profession of teachers, currently like those of medical doctors. It would mean that persons wanting to teach would have to demonstrate that they have the quality of compassion and are genuinely concerned about the well being of society. It would mean that candidates would have to demonstrate that they can teach all types of students before they would be allowed to teach. It would mean that candidates would have to demonstrate that they are able and willing to instill a sense of compassion, sharing, and social responsibility in students and that they set that example themselves before they would be allowed to teach. It would mean increasing the level of financial compensation of teachers to be on the level of what doctors currently receive. It would also mean that such a class of educators should have greater impact on the political system. That would mean that in addition to the two party system putting forward candidates for President of the United States, that this class of teachers would be able to put forward a third option and that campaign would be given the same visibility and funding that the current two major political parties have.

It would also mean more funding for schools, and not having teachers burdened with more students than they can properly educate.

That is where I would start.
 
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