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Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?


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Capitalism causes wealth and greed causes wealth, but that doesn't mean that capitalism causes greed. Everyone has a good half and an evil half. Greed is part of human nature, with or without capitalism.

Capitalism causes wealth and jealousy causes hatred, but does wealth cause jealousy? No, just like greed, jealousy is part of human nature.

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A more appropriate picture for what a socialist would say would be: stop perpetuating conditions that result in systemic racism, vastly unequal opportunity, laborers earning less than they're worth, the environment being ravaged in pursuit of profit, indigenous cultures being obliterated, oligarchy, plutocracy, war and unhappiness on a global scale due to the mundaneity and lack of meaning of labor itself.
 
Capitalism leverages the greed in humans to fuel productivity. However, greed is based on selfishness, which produces hatred of others.

As such, has the advance in capitalism resulted in an increase in hatred in the human race?
Haven't people always sucked?
 
Income does not necessarily translate into an increased standard of life. First of all I have known people who made good money, but spent more than their income could reasonably support and who therefore ended up miserable. Not only that, but I make way more money than my mother's father, but he had a very nice 80 acre farm and was self sufficient. As far as hunger goes, perhaps people are better fed than were the barbaric people of Europe thousands of years ago, but the simple natives in Florida had plenty to eat. It was only when the cruel Europeans showed up and enslaved them did they start to experience a decline in their standard of living. Disease, part of the problem is that so many diseases have occurred like diabetes that are the result of overindulgence as the result of the capitalist lifestyle. And as creature comforts go, capitalism has resulted in enormous filthy slums filled with disease all over the world. For instance, the Israelis have kept over a million Palestinian people in a large slum where raw sewage flows in the street.



Indeed it is my perception and it is based on the reality that capitalism is about making money, and making money is not centered on empathizing with people. I remember when I was young and was struggling in sales. I used to empathize with people when they would tell me things like "O, I am on a budget." This expert told me, look you are not going to sell anything like that. One of two things happens when a you encounter a prospective customer, either you will convince them to buy it, or they will convince you that they cannot. Making money is not about empathizing with people.
That's their fault, not the fault of the system.
 
Capitalism was certainly an improvement from the feudal mode of production that it superseded. Feudalism was too an improvement from the slave society that it replaced. Modes of production have consistently, since the fall of the hunter-gatherer society, fostered hatred and a brutish competition for resources. Capitalism has taken competition and bloodthirstiness familiar to humanity and expanded its scope to the national stage. Facilitated by the rise of the modern nation state and the corporation, human relations have been commodified, and the profit motive has subjugated large swathes of the globe's population. When compared to the ethical standards of past systems, capitalism looks rather neat and humane, just as feudalism would look when compared to slavery. Only someone guileless could claim that capitalism is objectively humane, considering its expansion led to colonialism, both World Wars, and continued imperialism to this day.

Capitalism has modernized the world in spectacular fashion. But with that has come much bloodshed, despair, and oppression. We could rather harness the technology that exists today and channel it into creating a vastly superior system.
Overall, good post. I'm not quite getting the parallels to wars that you and some others are taking in this thread, though.

Yes, we have developed the capabilities to mass destruct, but then we have always used wars to improve on whatever the war technology is at the time. Over time we become more efficient at it. The Industrial Revolution just means we can do it faster now than we used to. Is that capitalism, or is that human desire to defeat the enemy?

There have always been wars throughout history. And yes, there are countless wars today. I would submit, however, that there may be fewer wars in number today than in the past because, with the advances gained from capitalism, countries fear they'll lose what they do have.
 
The only way this might be true is to gauge the people who are jealous of the success of others and hate capitalism because it's too hard to actually get off their asses and work. You know... the liberals.
 
Capitalism leverages the greed in humans to fuel productivity. However, greed is based on selfishness, which produces hatred of others.

As such, has the advance in capitalism resulted in an increase in hatred in the human race?

I am so tired of naive advocacy of the medieval serfdom system enforced by torture chambers by those who think they are cleverly enlightened by cursing capitalism.

Your messages of your hatred of the USA and hatred of economic freedom - which is capitalism is - do not equate to "hatred in the human race." Claiming your hatred - or accuracy your envy other leading to you hate others - is shared by everyone is mistaken.
 
Capitalism creates huge imbalances with some people having no wealth at all. That is a problem.

Lazy asses claim it is unfair that they don't get more of other person's paychecks.

In your messages what is most notable is no mention of earning wealth or working. Rather just "having" wealth - that should magically appear in your pocket and bank account.

What don't you post legitimately your reason why YOU should have ANY of MY wealth?
 
So what? Forcing everyone to be equal doesn't take any real skill. It's a simple matter of having enough force to do it.

So what is that I was responding to an assertion that taking money from people would make them less hateful. It makes no sense because capitalism creates such huge imbalances in wealth that some people don't have any to take. Get it?

Over and above that it is impossible to force everyone to be equal. It has not ever been done. And someone who could do such at thing would have real skill indeed. What you said did not make the slightest bit of sense.


Oh please, in a socialist system the leaders greed is all that matters. You don't eliminate greed by stomping people down to keep them all equal.

If you had read the thread, you would have noticed that I said it is not possible to eliminate greed and that one of the flaws in communism is that it thinks that humans will evolve to as state in which it will be eradicated. So you are barking up the wrong tree.

I love people with dreams, but you got to make a plan to get there and realize that nothing is perfect no matter what. Capitalism improved peoples living standards more than any other system known to man and that includes socialism that can do nothing but feed off the fruits of other systems. Socialism is a parasite that causes societies to stagnant and become dependent on growth coming from government. Socialism takes the life blood out of capitalism and anything it comes into contact with.

First of all you really don't have any idea what has been known to man. You think you know that because Europeans have managed to delude the world into thinking that they know everything and that they know everything that has ever happened. That is their great arrogance. But that aside, as I pointed out to someone else, it depends on what you think an improved standard of life is. Not everyone thinks that the capitalist ideal that you worship with great awe and reverence results in happiness, and furthermore the little happiness that the few who experience the benefits from it get comes on the suffering of so many people in sweat shops and brutal factories around the world.
 
Your argument seems to rely on a false notion that hatred in the human race is a new phenomenon.

No it doesn't. I never said that and if you believe that I did or believe that, you are wrong.
 
One thing that Capitalism does is perpetuate hate filed leftist propaganda.

That may be true. It also perpetuates hated filled right wing propaganda, so it cancels out.
 
What we call poor in modern America is a standard of living that poor people from times prior to capitalism would have killed for.

Some poor people. But there are poor people who want no part of the so called extravagant lifestyle that the richest of capitalists live either, so what you said means little.
 
If there is any point to this thread other than to try to put a fresh face on the stale, old, disproven lie that Right-Wing/Conservative/Capitalists are the side of hatred and bigotry, while Wrong-Wing/Liberal/Socialists are the side of tolerance and love, then I cannot see what that point might be.

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Capitalism creates huge imbalances with some people having no wealth at all. That is a problem.

Well whose fault is that? Not the one who obtained his wealth by taking advantages of a system that allows one to.

First check who is considered the poorest among us in the U.S. You will find that the majority are single mothers. They have either given birth out of wedlock or their spouse abandoned them and their responsibilities.

The next group who are considered the poorest among us are those who dropped out of high school by choice and do not have any skills.

The third group who are considered the poorest among us are senior citizens often widows and widowers. They didn't do a good job of providing for their retirement years. Probably believed the big lie that Social Security was going to take care of them.

Out of the top three who make up most poverty, the majority can be traced back to poor choices in life and nothing to do with capitalism.

In fact capitalism when allowed to do what it does best without government interference, creates jobs so folks can provide for themselves.
 
Some poor people. But there are poor people who want no part of the so called extravagant lifestyle that the richest of capitalists live either, so what you said means little.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you misunderstood what I said.


That had nothing whatsoever to do with the point that I was making.
Then why did you include it if it had no bearing on your point? :shrug: I merely responded to your words.
 
The assertion of such as the OPer is that people lived in utopia, until the evil capitalists came along.

The level of being naive on human history is difficult to imagine for any adult. By definition, capitalism is freedom and equality in economics.

The only way social programs work and can be financed is by leaching off of capitalism.
 
Capitalism leverages the greed in humans to fuel productivity. However, greed is based on selfishness, which produces hatred of others.

As such, has the advance in capitalism resulted in an increase in hatred in the human race?

Nah, this is actually the most peaceful time to live in all of human history. And to an extent, I believe capitalism has contributed to that. But so has socialism for that matter. Which is why we should really be seeking a sort of mixed economy.
 
I really fail to see how the two are linked but that's just me. Capitalism with its warts (of which there are many) > feudalism. Or the organization of the vast majority of other ancient societies.
 
There is no system or economic structure a country could follow that is not immune to greed and to prevent contempt from the populace. So no, Capitalism doesn't breed hatred, and if it did it is no better at it than socialism, communism, or any other "Ism" one can think up.

At least capitalism is realistic and honest about human greed (or maybe ambition is a better term) and harnesses it into some good. Not to go all Gordon Gekko.
 
So the problem with ISIS is they are too capitalistic? Eliminate their being radical capitalists and they'd be nice people. :roll:
 
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