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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I've no problem with a balanced system, because as it stands now capitalism under our current system is far from the economic system put in place to breed competition. It smashes it to pieces and breeds power and force.
    Absolutely. But part of the problem, as you have pointed out, is that human nature is really the problem. The implementation of such an abstract system will inevitably run up against the problem of human nature. And in practical terms, there must be some sort of mechanism in place that encourages and sense of sharing and social responsibility to go along with incentives for economic development.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Your premise is entirely wrong. Capitalism, as the name suggests, is a method of growing capital in order produce goods and services that people need and want. The investor and producer are motivated by a two fold reason. To first produce and provide and secondly to gain a return. The premise of capitalism is production not greed.
    I would argue that such production and return, in practical terms, are based on the notion of greed. It is simply a part of human nature. The question is how to create an environment such that it does not develop to the extent that it becomes destructive to human civilization.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Pure, unadulterated, bull****. Running a successful, for-profit business, is not synonymous with "greed". Fail.
    Sorry, but an element of greed is there. Even in socialist systems the greed is there. The question is how to limit its influence such that it does not become destructive.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Sorry, but an element of greed is there. Even in socialist systems the greed is there. The question is how to limit its influence such that it does not become destructive.
    So is there an element of greed in having a successful career? Are you a greedy bastard if you earn a lot of money?

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Absolutely. But part of the problem, as you have pointed out, is that human nature is really the problem. The implementation of such an abstract system will inevitably run up against the problem of human nature. And in practical terms, there must be some sort of mechanism in place that encourages and sense of sharing and social responsibility to go along with incentives for economic development.
    I didn't touch upon the social side of capitalism. I was mostly commenting about how our current system is anything but about competition, so the economic system has been hijacked and only the name remains.

    To address the social issue, you are correct. Something else needs to be done to address this issue since capitalism produces all kinds of economic extremes from poverty to great wealth and everything in between. There is nothing wrong with placing safety nets and social programs into such a system. It is the humane thing to do.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No. Pick your -ism. It doesn't matter which one. Political agenda's and $10 of millions in messaging does the trick.

    Communism, Socialism, it doesn't matter. Pitting one against the other, the party faithful, against the agitators, the contributors against the takers. It doesn't matter. It's about power, no matter the -ism involved, and to get in and maintain it, it's agenda and message.
    I don't disagree with you on that ocean. One need only look to how Stalin had Trotsky killed to see that. But my point is that there needs to be some sort of balancing mechanism to capitalism that encourages the notion of sharing and social responsibility. Otherwise you end up with a society of humans that is filled with a destructive level of hate.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I want to comment, but really don't understand what you mean by the ruthlessness of the capitalist is made possible by restrictions on the use of force. Furthermore I don't understand that first statement at all. I apologize for not being able to comprehend what you mean. Could you please explain further? There is something that I am missing.
    When all is said and done, what it means is that capitalism reduces the use of force and that as ruthless as the capitalist might appear from within the system, he is not really such, when compared with the truly ruthless.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So is there an element of greed in having a successful career? Are you a greedy bastard if you earn a lot of money?
    There is an element of greed to it. I'm greedy to a certain extent. I have a job that pays me over 100k a year and I have a business so that I can have more.

    What I am saying is that capitalism has a tendency to cultivate greed to the extent that it becomes destructive. Although I am greedy, I would rather go back to horses if it meant that it would save the lives of innocent people who are being killed for the sake of having oil.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I didn't touch upon the social side of capitalism. I was mostly commenting about how our current system is anything but about competition, so the economic system has been hijacked and only the name remains.

    To address the social issue, you are correct. Something else needs to be done to address this issue since capitalism produces all kinds of economic extremes from poverty to great wealth and everything in between. There is nothing wrong with placing safety nets and social programs into such a system. It is the humane thing to do.
    Well we agree with the second item. With regards to the first, what we have is what you are going to get when you try to practically implement such an abstraction as a capitalist system.
    Last edited by MildSteel; 03-01-15 at 10:26 AM.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I don't disagree with you on that ocean. One need only look to how Stalin had Trotsky killed to see that. But my point is that there needs to be some sort of balancing mechanism to capitalism that encourages the notion of sharing and social responsibility. Otherwise you end up with a society of humans that is filled with a destructive level of hate.
    It seems to me there is a balancing mechanism to capitalism. It's called opportunity.

    I recognize there are some who comprehend what that means, and others who don't. There will those who take action, and those who don't. It's the groups who try to exploit the "don'ts" who cause the hate.

    If capitalism, and I'm not referring to pure capitalism where anything goes, but capitalism in the broad modern sense, created hate among humans, people wouldn't be trying so hard to get to the United States to give their dreams a try.

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