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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The problem that I have with the current "safety net" system is that it is based on the Federal Poverty Level (FPL). The FPL is based on household size while pay for productive work (aka wages) is not - often that means that the taxpayer is on the hook for the difference if even one person in that household does some "work activity" even if that is only taking a part-time class or "looking for" work.
    To be honest, I really don't know how all that stuff works. But my thing is this, I think that everyone who is able and willing to work should be employed. And I think that if the private sector can't do it, then the government should step in and provide such employment. There are plenty of constructive things that need to be done. But on the other hand, I am not about the government supporting people who don't work, but who are able to do so. Its not good, in my opinion. If you want to work and are able to do so, you should have a job such that you can support yourself. But if you don't want to work, then you should suffer the consequences. Otherwise, few people would want to work, if you can get everything you need for free.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    To be honest, I really don't know how all that stuff works. But my thing is this, I think that everyone who is able and willing to work should be employed. And I think that if the private sector can't do it, then the government should step in and provide such employment. There are plenty of constructive things that need to be done. But on the other hand, I am not about the government supporting people who don't work, but who are able to do so. Its not good, in my opinion. If you want to work and are able to do so, you should have a job such that you can support yourself. But if you don't want to work, then you should suffer the consequences. Otherwise, few people would want to work, if you can get everything you need for free.
    A problem with using the gov't as the employer of last resort is that it will likely get very complicated with the addition of (publicly funded) job training, transportation, child care, career counciling, supervision and all manner of other fringe benefits - all called essential and far exceeding the actual value of the labor provided.
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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    A problem with using the gov't as the employer of last resort is that it will likely get very complicated with the addition of (publicly funded) job training, transportation, child care, career counciling, supervision and all manner of other fringe benefits - all called essential and far exceeding the actual value of the labor provided.
    That would likely be how it would play out. And that is why it should be avoided. The private sector should be allowed to do its work. But if the private sector can't do it, then the government should step in. Furthermore fathers need to pitch in to help raise their children if they are not married or living together with the mother. Then there would be no need for these handouts, and if someone was to lazy or unwilling to work that was able to do so, then suffer.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Seriously? a drug addict whose addiction costs the rest of us money imposes more costs on us than some movie star who can afford a 6 week stint at the Betty Ford Clinic
    That's the cost to society, in purely monetary terms.

    Does not address the point.
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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    That is incorrect, for one core reason. There has never been a system of economy that treated all humans with equality. Straight up, we have never achieved a sense of human productivity that equated to all sharing the rewards in any equal portion sense. Even going back to the earliest economies.
    The flaw here is that you ignore that capitalism is based on the notion of the private ownership of property for the sake of profit. This means that it leverages greed and selfishness for the sake of producing profit. The desire to have private property means one wants something that no one else can have. This desire to have something no one else can have, along with the desire to expand one's wealth by getting out more capital than one put into an economic transaction are manifestations of greed and selfishness. Selfishness increases hatred of others because one has the desire to have something that others cannot have. Although it is not possible to make everyone equal in the economic sense, there have been systems that are based more on the notions of sharing and social responsibility. Not only that but we can see that there is a correlation between the rise in the number hate groups in the U.S. and income inequality. Therefore, there is good reason to believe that capitalism has created an environment that has allowed hate to increase.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The flaw here is that you ignore that capitalism is based on the notion of the private ownership of property for the sake of profit. This means that it leverages greed and selfishness for the sake of producing profit. The desire to have private property means one wants something that no one else can have. This desire to have something no one else can have, along with the desire to expand one's wealth by getting out more capital than one put into an economic transaction are manifestations of greed and selfishness. Selfishness increases hatred of others because one has the desire to have something that others cannot have. Although it is not possible to make everyone equal in the economic sense, there have been systems that are based more on the notions of sharing and social responsibility. Not only that but we can see that there is a correlation between the rise in the number hate groups in the U.S. and income inequality. Therefore, there is good reason to believe that capitalism has created an environment that has allowed hate to increase.
    Please elaborate what systems are you talking about?
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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    ...........Treacherous, murderous, treasonous.......
    Sure. And that says nothing about an economic system.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    Please elaborate what systems are you talking about?
    There have been all sorts of systems that have existed on the planet earth. For example, I visited one country where the people lived in villages where everyone went in search of food together, brought it back to the village and sat down and ate together. They had been doing that for hundreds of years, if not more.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Because human beings did not create the natural resources on which prosperity is based. As such, the notion of justice requires that everyone is entitled to use them for their sustenance. If the government is going to protect property rights and the wealth of those who possess wealth, then government also has a responsibility to see to it that those who engage in productive work, such as cleaning garbage, are able to provide themselves with the basic necessities.
    Just as I expected, Marxist claptrap.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Just as I expected, Marxist claptrap.
    That is not Marxism, that is just plain justice. People enter into a contract with the government in which they agree to obey its laws in return for the government creating an environment in which everyone can provide for their sustenance. The government has no right to tell someone they cannot have access to resources that exist naturally in nature if it cannot guarantee that in return everyone who is willing and able to work for their sustenance can do so. If the government cannot do that it is simply engaging in the theft of the resources of nature for the benefit of owners of private property. That is justice, not necessarily Marxism.

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