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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    True...I suppose that, really, greed, hatred, and other such bring out the worst in people in general, whatever the governmental system in use.

    And it's unlikely anyone will try to form a governmental system that is better at preventing such, or modify an existing one for the same purpose....


    Because the people in charge have much of those issues themselves
    True, people are people no matter where they be. Ideological bias dictates what we see as the least damaging method of economics or government. No doubt that people could think of better ways than what we currently have, or have had. But competing ideologies tend to concentrate on making the competition look worse than them. No solutions just that they are right and everyone else is wrong. We do it they do it everyone does it.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That is true. However the competitive pressure is centered on the notion of how to increase profit for the individual, ans a s such it creates an environment that is conducive to the development of greed which produces hate.



    It depends on what the competition is centered on. If people are constantly under pressure to compete for scarce resources just to survive, then the best in individual is not brought forward. Rather it develops into a destructive rat race if mechanisms are not put in place to instill a sense of sharing and social responsibility.



    In my opinion the discussion of alternatives should be left for another thread. Even one thread devoted to this topic is not sufficient.
    Seems kinda a hollow discussion to beat on Capitalism, which has provided the mechanism to provide so much to so many, without even entertaining the discussion about what might possible replace it. So this is little more than a anti-capitalism flogging thread?
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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Seems kinda a hollow discussion to beat on Capitalism, which has provided the mechanism to provide so much to so many, without even entertaining the discussion about what might possible replace it. So this is little more than a anti-capitalism flogging thread?
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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    no, there have always been 'haves' and 'have nots,' and people who sought to change those things by many many means.

    That's about how simply it breaks down, IMO.
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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Along with the greed, capitalism has played a big role in generating warfare and socio-economic inequality. War and poverty don't result in very nice people.
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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Along with the greed, capitalism has played a big role in generating warfare and socio-economic inequality. War and poverty don't result in very nice people.
    Right - no war - and everything will be fine!

    We can stave off enemies by using terse words, nasty voice inflections, and bad grammar.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I don't want to talk about alternatives as I don't see any issue. I'm trying to understand your point using a real life example.
    Well I gave you one.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    For your edification.
    A stupid response for several reasons

    1. I had already said that I am not free from greed which implies that I am not free from hate.

    2. If he had asked how would you quantify your present level of hate relative to that of what it would be if you had come up and were living in a system that is more centered on the notions of sharing and social responsibility, it would have had a bearing on the discussion. But such an assessment without any such comparison adds nothing.

    3. Asking a person to make such a quantitative, self assessment is flawed because of the inherent bias of such an assessment.

    So again, just more garbage.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You are referring to the sentiments of right wing libertarians, which is a ideological position not the result of a economic system.
    That sentiment is not confined to libertarians.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Seems kinda a hollow discussion to beat on Capitalism, which has provided the mechanism to provide so much to so many, without even entertaining the discussion about what might possible replace it. So this is little more than a anti-capitalism flogging thread?
    No, I think it is appropriate to have that discussion in another thread because it is rather involved, and not only that, this one is a rather involved topic itself.

    Having said that however, what I think needs to be done in addition to having a markets in which government interference is kept to a minimum, would be to put more of an emphasis on education. That would entail creating a superb class of teachers in society. This could be done by training teachers the way we currently train doctors, in that it would require an additional four to five years of training before one could teach. It would mean setting high admission standards into the profession of teachers, currently like those of medical doctors. It would mean that persons wanting to teach would have to demonstrate that they have the quality of compassion and are genuinely concerned about the well being of society. It would mean that candidates would have to demonstrate that they can teach all types of students before they would be allowed to teach. It would mean that candidates would have to demonstrate that they are able and willing to instill a sense of compassion, sharing, and social responsibility in students and that they set that example themselves before they would be allowed to teach. It would mean increasing the level of financial compensation of teachers to be on the level of what doctors currently receive. It would also mean that such a class of educators should have greater impact on the political system. That would mean that in addition to the two party system putting forward candidates for President of the United States, that this class of teachers would be able to put forward a third option and that campaign would be given the same visibility and funding that the current two major political parties have.

    It would also mean more funding for schools, and not having teachers burdened with more students than they can properly educate.

    That is where I would start.

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