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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Income and housing stability, hunger, disease, creature comforts. Humanity has made tremendous strides in all conceivable facets in the last 30 years, let alone the last 300.
    Income does not necessarily translate into an increased standard of life. First of all I have known people who made good money, but spent more than their income could reasonably support and who therefore ended up miserable. Not only that, but I make way more money than my mother's father, but he had a very nice 80 acre farm and was self sufficient. As far as hunger goes, perhaps people are better fed than were the barbaric people of Europe thousands of years ago, but the simple natives in Florida had plenty to eat. It was only when the cruel Europeans showed up and enslaved them did they start to experience a decline in their standard of living. Disease, part of the problem is that so many diseases have occurred like diabetes that are the result of overindulgence as the result of the capitalist lifestyle. And as creature comforts go, capitalism has resulted in enormous filthy slums filled with disease all over the world. For instance, the Israelis have kept over a million Palestinian people in a large slum where raw sewage flows in the street.

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    And that's your perception.
    Indeed it is my perception and it is based on the reality that capitalism is about making money, and making money is not centered on empathizing with people. I remember when I was young and was struggling in sales. I used to empathize with people when they would tell me things like "O, I am on a budget." This expert told me, look you are not going to sell anything like that. One of two things happens when a you encounter a prospective customer, either you will convince them to buy it, or they will convince you that they cannot. Making money is not about empathizing with people.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Capitalism creates huge imbalances with some people having no wealth at all. That is a problem.
    Life does that. Do think socialism doesn't have to deal with the differences in people? Did the hunter and gather societies that socialists love so much have to deal with those differences? Maybe you should create a system that somehow avoids the issue. Come on, lets see some ideas on a system where everyone is equal and it all works great.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Life does that. Do think socialism doesn't have to deal with the differences in people? Did the hunter and gather societies that socialists love so much have to deal with those differences? Maybe you should create a system that somehow avoids the issue. Come on, lets see some ideas on a system where everyone is equal and it all works great.
    Although there are indeed differences in life, the response "taking money from people" does not address the fact that capitalism creates huge imbalances in wealth, more than the type of socialist systems that people have been conditioned to abhor. Of course socialist systems have to deal with differences in people, and in fact, one of the great flaws of communism is that it is based on the naive premise that somehow or another humans will evolve into this species in which greed will be abolished. However, that does not take away from the fact that capitalism creates an environment in which the destructive quality of greed can develop to a greater degree in society in general, than it otherwise would in a more socialist system. And because of this greater degree of greed, a greater degree of hate manifests itself in the minds of people in general. That is one of its flaws. The question is whether its flaws outweigh its advantages.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Capitalism leverages the greed in humans to fuel productivity. However, greed is based on selfishness, which produces hatred of others.

    As such, has the advance in capitalism resulted in an increase in hatred in the human race?
    Are you friggin' kidding me!!???

    For 5 millennia before the concept of free markets came around the whole damned world was more or less a bunch of warring tribes which resulted in it taking 2000 years to graduate from the water wheel to the steam engine. Since then, as Capitalism took root around the world it took 200 years to move from the steam engine to putting a man on the moon and bringing him back to earth.

    Just my opinion but I think that kind of thing speaks volumes for the positive results Capitalism produces.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Are you friggin' kidding me!!???

    For 5 millennia before the concept of free markets came around the whole damned world was more or less a bunch of warring tribes which resulted in it taking 2000 years to graduate from the water wheel to the steam engine. Since then, as Capitalism took root around the world it took 200 years to move from the steam engine to putting a man on the moon and bringing him back to earth.

    Just my opinion but I think that kind of thing speaks volumes for the positive results Capitalism produces.
    Although you have demonstrated that capitalism can produce results in the sphere of advanced technology, what you have ignored is that the resultant hate and malice have produced nuclear weapons that are capable of destroying capitalist civilization as we know it. As such is the water wheel better than the global destruction of human civilization?

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Although you have demonstrated that capitalism can produce results in the sphere of advanced technology, what you have ignored is that the resultant hate and malice have produced nuclear weapons that are capable of destroying capitalist civilization as we know it. As such is the water wheel better than the global destruction of human civilization?
    Fire is capable of wiping out a city too but we don't consider it to be dangerous unless it's uncontrolled or used maliciously. The same applies to nuclear weapons.

    That being said, the technology that produced the bomb also produced nuclear reactors which provide electricity to millions of people around the world without pumping soot into the air or damming up rivers.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Fire is capable of wiping out a city too but we don't consider it to be dangerous unless it's uncontrolled or used maliciously. The same applies to nuclear weapons.

    That being said, the technology that produced the bomb also produced nuclear reactors which provide electricity to millions of people around the world without pumping soot into the air or damming up rivers.
    First of all the destructive power of a hydrogen bomb is far great than that of an uncontrolled fire. Not only that, but an uncontrolled fire does not unleash radioactive poison.

    As far as your point about nuclear reactors, one need only consider the accidents of Chernobyl, Fukushima, and Three Mile Island to see the kind of disadvantages that come along with this type of power.

    Over and above that, your response does not deal with the core issue that capitalism cultivates the destructive power of greed to achieve the results you praise. As such it increases the destructive quality of hate. The question is, do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages?

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    First of all the destructive power of a hydrogen bomb is far great than that of an uncontrolled fire. Not only that, but an uncontrolled fire does not unleash radioactive poison.

    As far as your point about nuclear reactors, one need only consider the accidents of Chernobyl, Fukushima, and Three Mile Island to see the kind of disadvantages that come along with this type of power.

    Over and above that, your response does not deal with the core issue that capitalism cultivates the destructive power of greed to achieve the results you praise. As such it increases the destructive quality of hate. The question is, do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages?
    By that logic one only need look at the Tenerife accident to see how bad for us air travel is.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    By that logic one only need look at the Tenerife accident to see how bad for us air travel is.
    Well, there are pros and cons to everything. The question here is do the pros outweigh the cons. If capitalism results in the destruction of the human race as a result of the advancements in technology, we will have a definite answer.

    That said, I am sitting here at my business posting between sales. I can tell you, it sure feels good counting tha money!!!

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    No, the opposite in some cases.

    Capitalism has improved the human condition and experience profoundly.

    It has given birth to the most progressive, egalitarian, and charitable nations on Earth, ones that do extremely well in happiness polls and occupy the entirety of the world's most prosperous and innovative nations.

    It is an imperfect system with visible drawbacks here and there, but it's still a damn good when done well. As for greed, no system is immune to it as we have seen so many times in history. Greed is one of the constants in humanity, it's not going anywhere, not now and not ever, how we deal with it is what will change.

    Humans don't need any help in hating each other.

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Capitalism creates huge imbalances with some people having no wealth at all. That is a problem.
    No, that's the default setting of the world. Capitalism does not create those imbalances, they were there from the start.

    Inequality is a staple of nature.
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