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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    When all is said and done, what it means is that capitalism reduces the use of force and that as ruthless as the capitalist might appear from within the system, he is not really such, when compared with the truly ruthless.
    Now I understand. Sorry about not being able to keep up. How is it that you think capitalism reduces the use of force? I don't agree with that.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well we agree with the second item. With regards to the first, that's what we have is what you are going to get when you try to practically implement such an abstraction as a capitalist system.
    Which is why any system can be hijacked and used by the power hunger and has been for centuries.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It seems to me there is a balancing mechanism to capitalism. It's called opportunity.

    I recognize there are some who comprehend what that means, and others who don't. There will those who take action, and those who don't. It's the groups who try to exploit the "don'ts" who cause the hate.

    If capitalism, and I'm not referring to pure capitalism where anything goes, but capitalism in the broad modern sense, created hate among humans, people wouldn't be trying so hard to get to the United States to give their dreams a try.
    I don't agree with you that opportunity is intrinsic to capitalism. And that is probably where we diverge. What I see is that the competitiveness of a capitalism system encourages people to create barriers to entry for others such that profit can be maximized.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Which is why any system can be hijacked and used by the power hunger and has been for centuries.
    Absolutely. Again, the question becomes how to limit that, and if I understand you correctly, I think at the very least we both agree that a pure, laissez faire capitalist system will not do that.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Absolutely. Again, the question becomes how to limit that, and if I understand you correctly, I think at the very least we both agree that a pure, laissez faire capitalist system will not do that.
    Bingo. You are 100% correct.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Bingo. You are 100% correct.
    There you go. We are on the same page!!!

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I don't agree with you that opportunity is intrinsic to capitalism. And that is probably where we diverge. What I see is that the competitiveness of a capitalism system encourages people to create barriers to entry for others such that profit can be maximized.
    Yes, that is certainly where we diverge. I have never experienced any barriers, beyond what would be expected, in my endeavors, or among others I know who have made the same commitment to opportunity. I've certainly seen plenty of people who don't make the effort complain mightily.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Yes, that is certainly where we diverge. I have never experienced any barriers, beyond what would be expected, in my endeavors, or among others I know who have made the same commitment to opportunity. I've certainly seen plenty of people who don't make the effort complain mightily.
    Well capitalism is about competition. And competition is, by its nature more or less brutal. For example, there is a lady that is posing an obstruction to me for expanding my business. I am watching her with great care because as soon as she makes a mistake I am going to muscle her out, what we used to call bowguard (meaning the use of the elbow to remove an obstruction), so that I can expand. Yes, I want to put up an obstruction for her. I don't want her to have the opportunity to obstruct me the way she is doing it. I really don't see how anyone can make it in business if they don't have that type of mentality. I look around me, and that is what I see going on in business. People try to put down the competition. That's just the way it is. That is the result of greed and I know for a fact I am not the only one like that. Even at my job at a very large company, we don't go to the competition and say, look we are going to create opportunities for you. If we do it at all, it is to further our own agenda.

    For me personally, the only way to get out of all of that, would be to go and live in a monastery or something.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well capitalism is about competition. And competition is, by its nature more or less brutal. For example, there is a lady that is posing an obstruction to me for expanding my business. I am watching her with great care because as soon as she makes a mistake I am going to muscle her out, what we used to call bowguard (meaning the use of the elbow to remove an obstruction), so that I can expand. Yes, I want to put up an obstruction for her. I don't want her to have the opportunity to obstruct me the way she is doing it. I really don't see how anyone can make it in business if they don't have that type of mentality. I look around me, and that is what I see going on in business. People try to put down the competition. That's just the way it is. That is the result of greed and I know for a fact I am not the only one like that. Even at my job at a very large company, we don't go to the competition and say, look we are going to create opportunities for you. If we do it at all, it is to further our own agenda.

    For me personally, the only way to get out of all of that, would be to go and live in a monastery or something.
    Well, you have an interesting take on business and competition. I have never approached opportunity with the mindset you're describing. Market share can be achieved many different ways. Either you offer the same thing for less, a better thing for the same price, better for more and can justify it, or you meet a need that is not being met, and charge according to what the market is willing to pay.

    "Elbowing out the competition" isn't a negative thing, it's how innovation or improvement is accomplished. A business that doesn't adopt and improve is bound to fail. That's not a negative result of capitalism, but a negative result of poor management.

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    Re: Has capitalism increased hatred in the human race?

    For those not familiar with "bowguarding", here's what I'm talking about.



    That's what we used to call "bowguarding."

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