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Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?[W:143]

Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

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Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

chad1389 said:
That is his right to do so. Like I stated, if he doesn't wish to do his own research, that is not my problem.
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True...It is always his right to leave to non White nations and live among them.

Its funny he does not do his own research yet he blames you...
 
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Hatuey said:
I'm making fun of your hyperbole meant to get a rise out of me. More importantly, I'm dismissing your absurd fantasies. :shrug:
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Its not hyperbole, does a nation and or people not the right to keep out people who would harm and or destroy them?

So you are just dismissing, not refuting, because you can not.

So Mr. Cultural revivalist, what nation are going to move to.
 
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AmericanSpartan said:
True...It is always his right to leave to non White nations and live among them.

Its funny he does not do his own research yet he blames you...
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Telling people to leave your white nation when you don't like what they're saying? How silly and expected from a non-racist like yourself.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

AmericanSpartan said:
Its not hyperbole, does a nation and or people not the right to keep out people who would harm and or destroy them?

So you are just dismissing, not refuting, because you can not.

So Mr. Cultural revivalist, what nation are going to move to.
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Refuting what? Something I find unworthy of consideration? Maybe when you make a case not based on debunked nonsense.
 
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Hatuey said:
I'm making fun of your hyperbole meant to get a rise out of me. More importantly, I'm dismissing your absurd fantasies. :shrug:
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Any video you post can only be replaced by another that does show the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf31HbHLRwA

If you wish to believe that PEGIDA are not concerned with their lack of government interference in Europe when it comes to terrorism, crime and other such things that stem from Islam, such as when the artist who drew the "prophet" was shot down along with 12 others, and that all of Europe is a peaceful place where Jews are not discriminated against just for being Jewish and Islamist teaching of radicalism is not on the rise, that is fine. I did write that it is becoming a racist origination, but it didn't start that way.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Hatuey said:
It couldn't possibly be because they associate with far right groups and engage in violence. There must be a conspiracy.



Sorry... What? Look. My question isn't about whether you believe their concerns are legitimate or not. As a matter of fact, I couldn't care less whether you support or don't support them. My question regards whether they are a racist organization pretending to be something else. As it stands, the leaders of PEGIDA have shown themselves to lean towards being racists. That alone should raise some serious flags about whether the organization is or isn't racist. Do you disagree?
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You could make those claims about any group, including those that claim themselves "anti racist".
 
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AmericanSpartan said:
True...It is always his right to leave to non White nations and live among them.

Its funny he does not do his own research yet he blames you...
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You are one of the reasons it is becoming a racist organization. Stop using the word "White Nation" as it does not work. Europe is not a white nation. You should be fine with those of middle eastern decent. Islam is a regime that has every race carrying out its death wish.
 
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Apocalypse said:
ll.

I've watched a video from one of the demonstrations, one of the leaders was standing there saying that they don't have to fear radical Islam anymore and how they do not advocate any action against non-radical Muslims and only have a problem with the radical Muslims.
So labeling such movement as racist seems to be wrong.
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Which is also what the EDL says, their actions speak otherwise.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

chad1389 said:
Any video you post can only be replaced by another that does show the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf31HbHLRwA

If you wish to believe that PEGIDA are not concerned with their lack of government interference in Europe when it comes to terrorism, crime and other such things that stem from Islam, such as when the artist who drew the "prophet" was shot down along with 12 others, and that all of Europe is a peaceful place where Jews are not discriminated against just for being Jewish and Islamist teaching of radicalism is not on the rise, that is fine. I did write that it is becoming a racist origination, but it didn't start that way.
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I've been waiting for you to contradict yourself. Did you actually watch your video? At the 0:56 mark you have police in these supposed no-go zones that you JUST claimed the police won't go into. But please, please stop it you're looking foolish when the Mayor of Paris is threatening to sue people for spreading false allegations about places that don't exist:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/21/w...or-plans-to-sue-over-news-of-no-go-zones.html

Apparently unmoved by the Fox News channel’s on-air apology to “the people of France” for broadcasting the false claim that areas of Paris are Muslim-ruled enclaves — or “no-go zones” outside the control of the state — the city’s mayor announced Tuesday that she intended to take legal action against the network.

In an interview with CNN and a subsequent Facebook update, Mayor Anne Hidalgo said that the “very shocking, stupid” and “insulting remarks” from Fox News anchors and guests, indicating that parts of her city were as insecure as Iraq or Afghanistan, had so “damaged the reputation and honor of Paris and Parisians” that she felt compelled “to go to court in order to have these words removed.”
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Please, please stop it. You're basically taking the words of some no name debunked source over the people who live in these cities. Are you serious?
 
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AmericanSpartan said:
Yeah I take the words of people live near the no go zone over people like you who claim they do not exist...
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Im actually very curiious about this. I´ve lived in predominantly Muslim areas in both England and Spain and have never had an issue coming or going, thats not to say the situation isn´t different in France, Belgium or Germany. Its just hard to belive what the media says. So what do these people say?
 
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AmericanSpartan said:
You could make those claims about any group, including those that claim themselves "anti racist".
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Ah, when everything else fails, claim that everyone else is racist too. That's not how the real world works, my young friend. However, you said the same claims could be made of ANY group. So, let's find you a group and see if you can show them doing the SAME things as PEGIDA:

SOS Racisme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'll wait for you to show them doing the same things and thus allowing the same claims to be made. :)
 
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Hatuey said:
I've been waiting for you to contradict yourself. Did you actually watch your video? At the 0:56 mark you have police in these supposed no-go zones that you JUST claimed the police won't go into. But please, please stop it you're looking foolish when the Mayor of Paris is threatening to sue people for spreading false allegations about places that don't exist:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/21/w...or-plans-to-sue-over-news-of-no-go-zones.html



Please, please stop it. You're basically taking the words of some no name debunked source over the people who live in these cities. Are you serious?
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Did you miss the part where I said that cops are allowed to enter, but a lot do not out of fear?

lets not pretend like the one cop you saw in the video proves anything. One cop actually doing his job doesn't mean a lot don't look the other way.

European countries | fracturing | Islamist | mini-states
 
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chad1389 said:
You are one of the reasons it is becoming a racist organization. Stop using the word "White Nation" as it does not work. Europe is not a white nation. You should be fine with those of middle eastern decent. Islam is a regime that has every race carrying out its death wish.
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..No they are White nations, they always have been. Yes Islam is such a regime.

I am fine with a few, but when a alien race is set to over come the population of a nation then it is a problem.

Arabs have no right or claim to Europe, it belongs to the people of each and every nation, but nothing.
 
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Red_Dave said:
Im actually very curiious about this. I´ve lived in predominantly Muslim areas in both England and Spain and have never had an issue coming or going, thats not to say the situation isn´t different in France, Belgium or Germany. Its just hard to belive what the media says. So what do these people say?
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They say they can not go in, that native women who go in are fair game for rape gangs, that police refuse to enter unless they are 3 cars or more in number.

Use Google.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

AmericanSpartan said:
..No they are White nations, they always have been. Yes Islam is such a regime.

I am fine with a few, but when a alien race is set to over come the population of a nation then it is a problem.

Arabs have no right or claim to Europe, it belongs to the people of each and every nation, but nothing.
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as long as the nation remains a true democracy, it doesn't matter what the biggest race is. As long as my kids and grandchildren don't have to worry about being shot for speaking about their religion, I'm okay.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Hatuey said:
Ah, when everything else fails, claim that everyone else is racist too. That's not how the real world works, my young friend. However, you said the same claims could be made of ANY group. So, let's find you a group and see if you can show them doing the SAME things as PEGIDA:

SOS Racisme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'll wait for you to show them doing the same things and thus allowing the same claims to be made. :)
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2013 Neo Irakleio Golden Dawn office shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let me guess, yadda yadda yadda does not count right?

Your time is ending so very soon...I promise we will not take to much joy in the fall of leftism and cultural marxism.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

chad1389 said:
Did you miss the part where I said that cops are allowed to enter, but a lot do not out of fear?
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chad1389 said:
Even Islamists will tell you that cops do not go there
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Changing your words, don't make them cease to exist. You claimed cops won't go in there as stated by Islamist. Yet... sure as daylight, there are cops in those places.

lets not pretend like the one cop you saw in the video proves anything.
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You mean the various cops in the video? Or the cop cars? Or the cops on the bikes?

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Yeah, sounds like 1 cop.
 
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AmericanSpartan said:
They say they can not go in, that native women who go in are fair game for rape gangs, that police refuse to enter unless they are 3 cars or more in number.

Use Google.
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Where exactly are we talking about here?
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

AmericanSpartan said:
2013 Neo Irakleio Golden Dawn office shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let me guess, yadda yadda yadda does not count right?

Your time is ending so very soon...I promise we will not take to much joy in the fall of leftism and cultural marxism.
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What are you even talking about? You claimed the same can be said about any organization. I posted a link to a non-racist organization and was waiting for you to show how they were racist. Then you show us a link showing a shooting at a racist group's offices? Are you trying to prove just how little you follow a conversation?
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Hatuey said:
Changing your words, don't make them cease to exist. You claimed cops won't go in there as stated by Islamist. Yet... sure as daylight, there are cops in those places.



You mean the various cops in the video? Or the cop cars? Or the cops on the bikes?

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Yeah, sounds like 1 cop.
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Yes, a lot of that has to do with response to the PEGIDA group. Here is a video before the group became large.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpAJsnAiT0A
 
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chad1389 said:
as long as the nation remains a true democracy, it doesn't matter what the biggest race is.
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Yes it does...Democracy, is mob rule, if you have a minority of the native people, they will get taken every time in every election, and their rights, freedoms and wealth will be stripped away.

If you think other wise you really do need to study history.

People should become a minority in their own nation as doing so has never been a positive and has always caused harm, poverty, hardship, and at worse genocide and extinction.

And if you think I am blowing smoke, then please ask a Native America, if you can find one that is.

As long as my kids and grandchildren don't have to worry about being shot for speaking about their religion, I'm okay.
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What about being shot for being White?

What about being shot for having nice shoes or a new smart phone?

What about having their rights and means to self defense stripped away by a ruling class that is elected into perpetuity by adding more and more immigrate voters into the nation via amnesty and mass immigration?

What about having the culture and values washed away by a never ending wave of immigration?

What about being a minority into their own nation? When has that worked out well for anyone or their posterity Chad? When?

You kids or grandkids can not fight for their future, they have no say on what world they will be born into, you do, fight for them. for their future, for their liberty, for yours as well.
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Hatuey said:
What are you even talking about? You claimed the same can be said about any organization. I posted a link to a non-racist organization and was waiting for you to show how they were racist. Then you show us a link showing a shooting at a racist group's offices? Are you trying to prove just how little you follow a conversation?
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Yes they were murdered, by, guess who? "anti racist" maybe you need to sleep, you can not spree many brain cells..
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

AmericanSpartan said:
Yes it does...Democracy, is mob rule, if you have a minority of the native people, they will get taken every time in every election, and their rights, freedoms and wealth will be stripped away.

If you think other wise you really do need to study history.

People should become a minority in their own nation as doing so has never been a positive and has always caused harm, poverty, hardship, and at worse genocide and extinction.

And if you think I am blowing smoke, then please ask a Native America, if you can find one that is.



What about being shot for being White?

What about being shot for having nice shoes or a new smart phone?

What about having their rights and means to self defense stripped away by a ruling class that is elected into perpetuity by adding more and more immigrate voters into the nation via amnesty and mass immigration?

What about having the culture and values washed away by a never ending wave of immigration?

What about being a minority into their own nation? When has that worked out well for anyone or their posterity Chad? When?

You kids or grandkids can not fight for their future, they have no say on what world they will be born into, you do, fight for them. for their future, for their liberty, for yours as well.
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Native Americans can preach without threat. Like I said, as long as it's a free society, I don't care which race has more people in it.
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Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

chad1389 said:
Yes, a lot of that has to do with response to the PEGIDA group. Here is a video before the group became large.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpAJsnAiT0A
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Sorry, do not pass go, do not collect $200. You don't get to move on to a new claim. Did you or did you not claim that cops won't go in there? I counted at least 4 cops as well as police cars, police bikes etc. Now, here is Paris on a map:

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It's broken up into arrondissements. Translated, arrondissements are more or less the US equivalent of districts but more like neighborhoods. Here is a list of EVERY police station in Paris:

Paris Police Stations

If you click on those links, it will tell you where to find a police station in EVERY single district of Paris. Are you saying that somehow they managed to build police stations in areas of Paris where they're not supposed to even be allowed to walk through? Get serious and get informed.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Hatuey said:
Sorry, do not pass go, do not collect $200. You don't get to move on to a new claim. Did you or did you not claim that cops won't go in there? I counted at least 4 cops as well as police cars, police bikes etc. Now, here is Paris on a map:

600px-Population_density_map_of_Paris_in_2012.svg.png


It's broken up into arrondissements. Translated, arrondissements are more or less the US equivalent of districts but more like neighborhoods. Here is a list of EVERY police station in Paris:

Paris Police Stations

If you click on those links, it will tell you where to find a police station in EVERY single district of Paris. Are you saying that somehow they managed to build police stations in areas of Paris where they're not supposed to even be allowed to walk through? Get serious and get informed.
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Wow, you found 4 cops in a no-go zone when I stated that a lot of cops do not go out of fear. Totally blew all those videos away...
And of course there are police stations there. It is not ISLAMIST CONTROLLED. Cops do face opposition when trying to STOP CRIME. they do not face opposition for BEING COPS.
 
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