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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    So you are changing the subject why are we not supervised?
    Nobody is changing ANY subject. You claimed the same could be said about any organization. I provided an organization and asked you to prove your claim. You provided an unsolved murder in a different country that had nothing to do with the organization I provided. This is why following a conversation is important.
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by chad1389 View Post
    That is his right to do so. Like I stated, if he doesn't wish to do his own research, that is not my problem.
    Ok, first of all, this thread isn't about Hateuy or no go zones. If you want to discuss either, make your own thread and let us discuss PEGIDA.
    Thank you.

    As for the movement itself, it seems to have stemmed from frustration, but also from some sort of ignorance and phobia. I wouldn't call them scum, or even racists, but thing they should be both pitied and feared.
    At the moment, they are still fringe and have plenty of opposition, but with increasing frustration T/O Europe and the fear of groups like ISIL, the movement must be closely monitored. Groups like PEGIDA feed on fear and frustration, feed an ideology which, as we have recently seen with ISIL and in the past with national socialism, can quickly morph into something very brutal and dangerous.

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    So you are changing the subject why are we not supervised?
    Did our chaperones leave?
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So in short, tens of thousands of counter protesters, the German Chancellor, AND Germany's churches have all come to the conclusion that PEGIDA is pretty xenophobic. Do you believe there is a reason for this or some conspiracy to silence PEGIDA supporters?
    The PEGIDA demonsrators outnumbered the counter protesters and polls are consistently showing more and more Germans are worried about immigration and Islam. Of course the German political elite and German business will oppose this. Anti-immigration sentiment has been silenced across the continent for a while now, branded as racist and so on.

    Look to France. Front national has been attacked in the US and UK as fringe element when it is the third largest party in France and growing. There is a conspiracy to silence anti-immigration and anti-EU groups.

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Florian View Post
    Bachmann is not the leader anymore. A group is more than its leader especially when the group is organising public demonstrations.

    Hundreds of thousands of Germans have turned out to oppose immigration and Islam and the effect it has had on their nation. There's nothing fringe or radical about the movement.
    The fact that they had a leader like that tells me all I need to know about that group. Funny how people now are defending racism all of a sudden as long as it suits them.

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Hmm, an Isreali who sympathizes with a group whose leader has a Hitler moustache and hates immigrants. Thats interesting.
    It's a movement so naturally I'm not sympathizing with the leader but with the people who take to the streets, but I'm glad to see you haven't wasted an opportunity to make a hateful remark regarding my nationality for the thousandth time, quite fittingly backwards of you.
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    The fact that they had a leader like that tells me all I need to know about that group. Funny how people now are defending racism all of a sudden as long as it suits them.
    Why can't you separate the leader from the message of the group? Have you read their platform? Do you know many people attended their rallies? You know none of these questions. And you want to deny Germans the right to free speech and demonstration by branding them racist.

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Florian View Post
    The PEGIDA demonsrators outnumbered the counter protesters and polls are consistently showing more and more Germans are worried about immigration and Islam. Of course the German political elite and German business will oppose this. Anti-immigration sentiment has been silenced across the continent for a while now, branded as racist and so on.

    Look to France. Front national has been attacked in the US and UK as fringe element when it is the third largest party in France and growing. There is a conspiracy to silence anti-immigration and anti-EU groups.
    Interesting:

    BBC News - 'Anti-Islamisation' group Pegida UK holds Newcastle march

    About 1,000 protesters are demonstrating against the first rally in Britain by a group opposed to what it calls the "Islamisation of Europe".

    Supporters of the UK branch of German group Pegida are at Newcastle city centre's Bigg Market.

    Critics claim they are anti-Muslim and have come to the city to "promote expression of hatred", which they deny.

    A counter-rally has marched to Newgate Street, within sight of about 400 Pegida UK demonstrators.
    I don't question what Germans are and aren't worried about. However, I find it mostly irrelevant. It wouldn't be the first time they're worried about Middle Easterners taking over. But I did find your claim about outnumbering interesting. There is a PEGIDA demonstration going on right now and counter demonstrators more than double the demonstrator numbers.
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by spangledbanner View Post
    The Republican Party is ten times more racist than Pediga. And Yes. Pediga is racist.
    What complete and utter hyperbole.

    If you truly disagree with the Republican Party do it with some honesty instead of draping "racist" over all of them and have that be the end of the discussion. As far as the Repblican party being "10 times more racist" than Padega I find that hard to believe when one of the leaders of the GOP literally dress up like Hitler.
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    German leaders condemn xenophobia after Pegida protests | World news | The Guardian





    So in short, tens of thousands of counter protesters, the German Chancellor, AND Germany's churches have all come to the conclusion that PEGIDA is pretty xenophobic if not racist. Do you believe there is a reason for this or some conspiracy to silence PEGIDA supporters?

    Since when do opinions, and even if they are the opinions of such important people, constitute as facts?
    For a movement to be considered a bigoted movement such as the EDL it is my opinion that the general atmosphere surrounding it needs to be a bigoted one as well.
    Observing an average PEGIDA demonstration, what bigoted elements are you seeing exactly?
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