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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    That might be the case but I know people like him, they claim we do not own our culture, nations, history, ect....
    That is his right to do so. Like I stated, if he doesn't wish to do his own research, that is not my problem.

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    PEGIDA is a one issue sort of movement. That's why I didn't really group it with parties. Secondly, let's take a look at accusing people of being racist. I'm not, I asked a question based on different 3 key of any organization: It's leadership, it's associations and the reaction from the populace.
    Look at the EDL, this started off in the UK because of similar concerns but quickly attracted extremists and fascists looking for a fight. That too was labelled as a racist movement very quickly by establishment figures and its members were also labeled as scum or lowlifes.

    the fact it eventually became a racist organisation does not blur that its inception was from a legitimate concern - your 3 keys were similar then and now. Tommy Robinson (who eventually left when Combat 18 and other people infiltrated and kept being put back in) was the leader and widely accused of racism. The EDl was accused of association with racist movements like the BNP despite Tommy Robinson repeatedly stating that he wanted nothing to do with the BNP and similar movements.

    As for reactions from the populace, same thing again - media and more "left wing" groups quickly labeled it as scum or racist.

    Your key test I'm afraid is invalid. And as a poster you think you discredited accurately pointed out - it has and will attract racists. That is inevitable but so it seems is the equally invalid response you will start to see on this thread and elsewhere to try and paint legitimate concern as extremism.

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post


    What I think of the above post.
    So you have no point, just posting a video..

    Our nations belong to us and are home for one culture, our own, and we have the right and obligation to keep out groups and people who would subvert and destroy our culture, values, and way of life.

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Look at the EDL, this started off in the UK because of similar concerns but quickly attracted extremists and fascists looking for a fight. That too was labelled as a racist movement very quickly by establishment figures and its members were also labeled as scum or lowlifes.
    It couldn't possibly be because they associate with far right groups and engage in violence. There must be a conspiracy.

    the fact it eventually became a racist organisation does not blur that its inception was from a legitimate concern
    Sorry... What? Look. My question isn't about whether you believe their concerns are legitimate or not. As a matter of fact, I couldn't care less whether you support or don't support them. My question regards whether they are a racist organization pretending to be something else. As it stands, the leaders of PEGIDA have shown themselves to lean towards being racists. That alone should raise some serious flags about whether the organization is or isn't racist. Do you disagree?
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    So you have no point, just posting a video..
    I'm making fun of your hyperbole meant to get a rise out of me. More importantly, I'm dismissing your absurd fantasies.
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by chad1389 View Post
    That is his right to do so. Like I stated, if he doesn't wish to do his own research, that is not my problem.
    True...It is always his right to leave to non White nations and live among them.

    Its funny he does not do his own research yet he blames you...

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm making fun of your hyperbole meant to get a rise out of me. More importantly, I'm dismissing your absurd fantasies.
    Its not hyperbole, does a nation and or people not the right to keep out people who would harm and or destroy them?

    So you are just dismissing, not refuting, because you can not.

    So Mr. Cultural revivalist, what nation are going to move to.

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    True...It is always his right to leave to non White nations and live among them.

    Its funny he does not do his own research yet he blames you...
    Telling people to leave your white nation when you don't like what they're saying? How silly and expected from a non-racist like yourself.
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    Its not hyperbole, does a nation and or people not the right to keep out people who would harm and or destroy them?

    So you are just dismissing, not refuting, because you can not.

    So Mr. Cultural revivalist, what nation are going to move to.
    Refuting what? Something I find unworthy of consideration? Maybe when you make a case not based on debunked nonsense.
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm making fun of your hyperbole meant to get a rise out of me. More importantly, I'm dismissing your absurd fantasies.
    Any video you post can only be replaced by another that does show the truth.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf31HbHLRwA

    If you wish to believe that PEGIDA are not concerned with their lack of government interference in Europe when it comes to terrorism, crime and other such things that stem from Islam, such as when the artist who drew the "prophet" was shot down along with 12 others, and that all of Europe is a peaceful place where Jews are not discriminated against just for being Jewish and Islamist teaching of radicalism is not on the rise, that is fine. I did write that it is becoming a racist origination, but it didn't start that way.

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