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Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?[W:143]

Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?


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Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

So far, 135 votes in...over 92% say the National Socialist...oops, I mean Pegida IS a racist movement.

Nice to see the masses getting it right.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

So far, 135 votes in...over 92% say the National Socialist...oops, I mean Pegida IS a racist movement.

Nice to see the masses getting it right.

:rofl

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By the way polls on this forum are pretty much all rigged by people who disconnect and then vote as guests and then delete cookies, but I would never expect you to figure that out.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

One can make accurate generalizations about people who voluntarilly align themselves with an ideology or point of view, but a similar generalization about a large group united only by nationality, religion or ethnicity is not going to be accurate.

Ie. "American conservatives want to lower taxes" is acccurate. "Older white men in American want to lower taxes" is not.

There are no laws in the USA prohibiting discriminating against someone due to their ideology in most contexts. (exception: hiring for lower level government jobs)


No that's incorrect. If you don't hire someone because they're Muslim or Jewish or Christian or whatever, that's a crime.

Employment Discrimination Based on Religion, Ethnicity, or Country of Origin

Also, ones ideology could be considered their religion, hence making it illegal discrimination.


If an employer asks what your religion is at all that's officially illegal. Religion is legally speaking an off-topic zone for work in the US and if you as an employer or supervisor delve into religion with coworkers your organization/company can be sued for discrimination and pretty much in court the only question that the judge is going to care about is "Was religion brought up at all?" and if the answer is yes then that's the case, the accuser of religious discrimination wins because a company/organization cannot legally bring up religion as an issue with regard to work and there's no way to disprove said entity didn't use such info to discriminate somehow.


Now that said, do a lot of companies do it anyways assuming you won't spend the money to actually sue? Yeah. But I've seen companies pay big time for it when someone recorded the interview. Big payday in court.
 
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Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Some countries have constitutions that enshrine a nation’s values, some ask for specific values to be taught at school and these are based on a particular type of culture. I can see how the above easily relates to muslim culture and how this would fit in with German culture but on the other hand – is the phrase “when in Rome” now a cover for racism? A request that particular values may be upheld and that incomers are asked to respect or integrate into?

Cultural practices that are harmful to a non-consenting adult are already illegal. Demanding that immigrants conform to the cultural norms of a nation may be common and popular with many people, but it is a violation of their human right to free expression. Most cultures are already very diverse with a range of social classes, ethnicities, professions, religions and lifestyles. In free nations we don't use the law to oppress hippies, blue collar workers, religious sects etc. With all that legally and popularly accepted diversity there is no legitimate reason to suppress some specific forms of cultural expression just because they are practiced by immigrants. If we were successful at doing that in the USA we wouldn't have St. Patrick's day, pasta, pizza, tacos, hamburgers, egg rolls, etc.
 
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Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

No that's incorrect. If you don't hire someone because they're Muslim or Jewish or Christian or whatever, that's a crime.

Employment Discrimination Based on Religion, Ethnicity, or Country of Origin

Also, ones ideology could be considered their religion, hence making it illegal discrimination.


If an employer asks what your religion is at all that's officially illegal. Religion is legally speaking an off-topic zone for work in the US and if you as an employer or supervisor delve into religion with coworkers your organization/company can be sued for discrimination and pretty much in court the only question that the judge is going to care about is "Was religion brought up at all?" and if the answer is yes then that's the case, the accuser of religious discrimination wins because a company/organization cannot legally bring up religion as an issue with regard to work and there's no way to disprove said entity didn't use such info to discriminate somehow.


Now that said, do a lot of companies do it anyways assuming you won't spend the money to actually sue? Yeah. But I've seen companies pay big time for it when someone recorded the interview. Big payday in court.

You are correct that religious beliefs are protected by law. Generally religion is not considered part of an individual's ideology and vice vesa. That is because a person's religion is only part of their ideology. For example there are both very conservative and very liberal Catholics. An employer can not legally discriminate against someone just because they are Catholic but the law does not protect other forms of cultural or political expression. An employer may legally discriminate against a potential employee because she is perceived as being a hippie, a punk or a skinhead or because the employer doesn't like the political opinions expressed by buttons worn by the applicant. Even an existing government employee can be fired for their ideology or lifestyle, even for their past behavior. Examples include the many police officers and teachers fired because evidence of their alternative lifestyle or beliefs had been found on the internet, even though their lifestyle is completely legal. I'm not saying that is right, but it is the current state of the law in most of the USA. I advocate for protection of employee's right to free expression outside of the workplace, but that has been implemented in only a few states.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Cultural practices that are harmful to a non-consenting adult are already illegal. Demanding that immigrants conform to the cultural norms of a nation may be common and popular with many people, but it is a violation of their human right to free expression. Most cultures are already very diverse with a range of social classes, ethnicities, professions, religions and lifestyles. In free nations we don't use the law to oppress hippies, blue collar workers, religious sects etc. With all that legally and popularly accepted diversity there is no legitimate reason to suppress some specific forms of cultural expression just because they are practiced by immigrants. If we were successful at doing that in the USA we wouldn't have St. Patrick's day, pasta, pizza, tacos, hamburgers, egg rolls, etc.

Yes but shooting satirists for expressing their cultural freedoms is very different from St. Patrick's day, pasta, pizza, tacos, hamburgers, egg rolls etc etc.

I can understand why Germans could worry that fundamental aspects of their culture could be changed because of the cultural demands of a new immigrant group which may see the culture of a society they want to move to as offensive to their own culture.

Right now, there are cartoonists in the US and Europe who now have to live under 24 hour watch because of this.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

So far, 135 votes in...over 92% say the National Socialist...oops, I mean Pegida IS a racist movement.

Nice to see the masses getting it right.
Yup, anyone who is against racism, prejudice or bigotry can see the obvious. Im glad most people who voted are still the decent ones.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

Yes but shooting satirists for expressing their cultural freedoms is very different from St. Patrick's day, pasta, pizza, tacos, hamburgers, egg rolls etc etc.

I can understand why Germans could worry that fundamental aspiects of their culture could be changed because of the cultural demands of a new immigrant group which may see the culture of a society they want to move to as offensive to their own culture.

Right now, there are cartoonists in the US and Europe who now have to live under 24 hour watch because of this.

What percent of European Muslims have committed violence due to their beliefs? I feel safe in saying that it is well under 1 pct. That does not justify discrimination against the remaining 99.9 pct.
 
Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

What percent of European Muslims have committed violence due to their beliefs? I feel safe in saying that it is well under 1 pct. That does not justify discrimination against the remaining 99.9 pct.

non sequitur.

Besides, to use your words "percent of Pegida members have committed violence or are racists due to their beliefs? I feel safe in saying that it is well under 1 pct. That does not justify discrimination against the remaining 99.9 pct."

Even the pics posted in support in the OP only show a handful with neo-nazi group flags however several posters feel confident enough to label the whole movement racist.
 
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