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Thread: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?[W:143]

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
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    maybe this will get through. Do you ascribe the modern Democrat party of the US to be the same as the Democrat party that was involved with the KKK?

    Can you and Hatuey understand that movements may evolve and change?
    Sometimes the change takes months, sometimes years..


    Sometimes it takes years of war and results in many millions of dead people like it did with the NAZI's.

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I don't care if PEGIDA is "racist" or not. As long as its members are against Muslim jihadists, it's fine with me. I hope at least some European nations will come to their senses and deport every Muslim troublemaker they find. Intern them, even, if necessary. Either way, they would be getting off far easier than they might have.

    Muslims around the world are lucky there are no nations that are both extremely powerful and have rulers as savage as the jihadists themselves. What if the U.S., for example, instead of being a civilized nation, had a government like Germany's during the Third Reich? An attack like 9/11, which was in part an attempt to destroy the U.S. government, would have been answered with a final solution to the Islamist problem.
    That probably would have consisted of using nuclear weapons to incinerate most of the world's billion-and-a-half Muslims, innocent and guilty alike, and sending all the survivors that could be caught to extermination camps.


    Basically you're talking about a world-wide nuclear war.

    Well that didn't happen and I don't believe that it's going to happen.

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?[W:143]

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    The movement was founded on racism and the founder of PEGIDA is indeed racist. PEGIDA's founder and leader (until recently) is Lutz Bachmann. The man who refers to immigrants as “cattle,” “scumbags,” “filthy,” and “trash.” The man who posted a picture of himself sporting Hitler’s distinct hairstyle, glare and toothbrush mustache with the words “He’s back!”. The same man who posted a photo of a Ku Klux Klan member with the cut line, “Three Ks a day keeps the minorities away.”

    Those keen to actively protest who do have legitimate fears and concerns should be aligning themselves to a more reputable organisation. PEGIDA was founded by scum and a reasonable person should not want to be associated with trash like that.
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    "1 duty to integration....”
    Translated: “immigrants must assimilate to our standards or else”
    Tony Blair 2006 – “immigrants have a duty to integrate”.
    Julia Gillard 2012 – “immigrants have a duty to integrate”.
    Standard requests made by different leaders of immigrants to their countries.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    2 “zero tolerance towards criminal refugees and immigrants....”
    Translated: Immigrants should be held to a higher standard of behavior than other citizens and will be punished with deportation even for minor crimes
    Most countries have a zero tolerance to immigrants who commit crime and this goes for refugees and immigrants. Unless an immigrant has won citizenship then they can quickly be deported if they start routinely engaging in criminal activity. I’m going to take a wild guess that in the US, a budding citizen can have their citizenship process halted and ended if they start committing crimes.

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    3 “protection of Germany's traditionally Judeo-Christian culture....”
    Translated: “Mainstream/traditional culture should be considered superior by the law”
    Some countries have constitutions that enshrine a nation’s values, some ask for specific values to be taught at school and these are based on a particular type of culture. I can see how the above easily relates to muslim culture and how this would fit in with German culture but on the other hand – is the phrase “when in Rome” now a cover for racism? A request that particular values may be upheld and that incomers are asked to respect or integrate into?

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    4 “Opposes parallel societies/parallel jurisdictions, for example Sharia courts, Sharia police and peace judges....”
    Translation: Unlike all other people, immigrants can't have any institutions to address conflicts or establish policies
    I’ve been lambasted over the years on Debate Politics forum for upholding the right of muslims to live by Sharia that fits within national civil law and does not discriminate. So I’m very familiar with the pro and anti argument. If by parallel, what is asked for is outside German or any national law then that should not happen. I am never going to support any parallel police and there have been attempted “muslim patrols” in Belgium, the UK and other parts of Europe. Do you think requesting this does not happen in Germany is a racist thing or simple common sense?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    5 “States that Pegida oppose.... political correctness...."
    Translated: “Opposes using proper and/or polite terms to refer to groups of people
    The bar for anti-immigrant status seems quite low by this and the rest of your selected elements / worries.

    Are you sure you really read the PEGIDA constitution?

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Because it looks flat?

    That sounds like a pretty good reason to me, even though it's 100% wrong.
    What..?
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Basically you're talking about a world-wide nuclear war.

    Well that didn't happen and I don't believe that it's going to happen.
    I never suggested it would. I said it was damned lucky for all Muslims that there is no nation which has both the military power of the United States and a government as brutal as the jihadists themselves--for example the government of Nazi Germany. If there were, I think it's clear that nation would long ago have done just what I described. You may recoil from that, but I think it's undeniably true. Can anyone really believe that a government which was every bit as murderous as the worst members of ISIS or Al Qaeda, and had control of the six thousand or so hydrogen bombs the U.S. has, would not use them against any group of people it was opposed to? The innocence or guilt of particular members of the group would not even be a consideration--it would be "kill them all."

    What standard of morality a nation should hold itself to in a serious fight against a brutal enemy is not an idle question, or a new one. It came up again and again during World War Two. Churchill, for example, in considering whether the anthrax bombs the U.S. had produced should be dropped on German cities, questioned whether Britain could afford always to be bound by moral constraints when fighting people like the Nazis. Also, serious consideration was given to plastering Iwo Jima with poison gas, so that U.S. forces could just wait for it to do its work on the 21,000 defenders and then walk in unopposed. Neither of these things was done--and yet neither Truman nor Churchill ever even questioned whether the atomic bomb should be used on Japan.

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    A lot of the xenophobia on this planet has its genesis in racism and bigotry.
    Do you know what bigotry is? Of course it would be rooted in bigotry.
    To claim that all of the xenophobes are racists is untrue.
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Do you know what bigotry is? Of course it would be rooted in bigotry.
    To claim that all of the xenophobes are racists is untrue.


    I haven't said that all xenophobes are racists, but I'll stick with my statement that some of them are racists.

    Oh, and some of them are bigots and some of them are bigoted racists.

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I haven't said that all xenophobes are racists
    Then you agree with me and I do not see any room for an argument.
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That you believe a leader of a movement reflects on the majority of the people who take part in that movement no matter the actual values that the movement is promoting is proof that you do not follow common sense and basic human logic.
    Well with that logic you must believe that the National Socialists werent so bad without Hitler then...

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