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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    Yeah I take the words of people live near the no go zone over people like you who claim they do not exist...
    Then take the word from me, I used to live in Birmingham, UK, which is supposedly some no go zone. It's not.
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, it violates nothing. The only thing that gets violated is our human spirit and human morality when we work with people who are racists. Again, the enemy of my enemy tactic usually does not work (if ever). History has taught us that.
    History has not taught me any such thing. You don't even have to go back too many decades to find an example that contradicts your claim. Everyone knows what a despicable, murdering son of a bitch Josef Stalin was. Moreover, he detested Jews and Ukrainians, among other groups, purely because of what they were. But as soon as his Soviet Union began fighting Hitler's Germany in June, 1941, Roosevelt and Churchill both knew they had to hold their noses and cooperate with him.

    Stalin was the enemy of Germany, and that made him our friend for the next four years--an ally of convenience. Your "human spirit and human morality" would have been violated one hell of a lot more if the U.S. and Britain had loftily declined to form an alliance with the USSR because Stalin was a mass-murdering tyrant, and the Nazis had won the war as a result. And they almost certainly would have won it, but for that alliance.

    We loose our humanity if we work with forces that defy and violate human rights on a daily basis, like racists do.
    A racist does not necessarily violate anyone's rights, ever, let alone daily. Anyone has a perfect right to hate the living guts of anyone else, because of his race or for any other reason, just as he damn well pleases. When your house is on fire, you don't turn down the help of the guy down the block even if you know he's a drunken thief who cheats on his wife. If there are Europeans who are willing to fight the Muslim jihadist curs who have infested their continent, I am not too concerned with whether they are the kind of people I'd like to invite to dinner. We are in a tight spot, and the will to fight counts more than manners.

    We all dislike jihadists
    What I feel for yellow lice who decapitate and bury alive young children, kidnap and torture innocent people to death solely because of their religion, and burn prisoners alive in cages goes very far beyond dislike. I hope any Muslims in Europe who condone that kind of savagery are deported or interned on some remote island.
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    History has not taught me any such thing. You don't even have to go back too many decades to find an example that contradicts your claim. Everyone knows what a despicable, murdering son of a bitch Josef Stalin was. Moreover, he detested Jews and Ukrainians, among other groups, purely because of what they were. But as soon as his Soviet Union began fighting Hitler's Germany in June, 1941, Roosevelt and Churchill both knew they had to hold their noses and cooperate with him.

    Stalin was the enemy of Germany, and that made him our friend for the next four years--an ally of convenience. Your "human spirit and human morality" would have been violated one hell of a lot more if the U.S. and Britain had loftily declined to form an alliance with the USSR because Stalin was a mass-murdering tyrant, and the Nazis had won the war as a result. And they almost certainly would have won it, but for that alliance.
    Really, how did that work out in the end? Decades of cold war, even now the relationship with Russia remains strained at best and down right conflicted at worst.

    The enemy of my enemy almost worked for Adolf, until he double crossed them as soon as they lost their value to him. Stalin did the same, he was an enemy of Hitler so he worked with another enemy and that may have ended one war but started a lot of other wars, conflicts and as said, one big scare cold war.

    America was helped by the Soviets to end the threat of Germany but a bigger threat was created. With all the military aid of the US supporting them, the Soviets created an army that was equal or even greater than the Allied forces standing across from them.

    The Soviets were able to blast out weapons at an astonishing rate, tanks, planes and guns were produced immensely fast. They took over half of Europe and quickly developed their own nuclear weapons.

    Sorry, but it was not that great a success either. Also, I said almost never works. They may work in the short time, but usually in the long run they may created more problems than they solved.

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    A racist does not necessarily violate anyone's rights, ever, let alone daily. Anyone has a perfect right to hate the living guts of anyone else, because of his race or for any other reason, just as he damn well pleases. When your house is on fire, you don't turn down the help of the guy down the block even if you know he's a drunken thief who cheats on his wife. If there are Europeans who are willing to fight the Muslim jihadist curs who have infested their continent, I am not too concerned with whether they are the kind of people I'd like to invite to dinner. We are in a tight spot, and the will to fight counts more than manners.
    Sorry, but a racist is a racist 24/7 and 365 days a year. Well, no, there is no perfect right to hate the living guts of other people based on race, religion or sex, or whatever other reason. I hate jihadi scum because they kill people, I hate racists for the racism that they cause and the violence that they often commit. Again, you may not have an issue with it but I will be damned if I team up with racist scum to defeat jihadist scum. I would rather do that working with actually decent human beings.

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    What I feel for yellow lice who decapitate and bury alive young children, kidnap and torture innocent people to death solely because of their religion, and burn prisoners alive in cages goes very far beyond dislike. I hope any Muslims in Europe who condone that kind of savagery are deported or interned on some remote island.
    Well, I may also hate the isis scum, but I would much more advocate them leaving on their own accord because we and their fellow muslims should make them realize that their is no place for jihadist violence in Europe.
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Well, no, there is no perfect right to hate the living guts of other people based on race, religion or sex, or whatever other reason.
    That may well be the case in many other countries, where the government dispenses what passes for rights. Too bad for them. But as an American, I live in a free country. And part of that freedom is that any person here may hate the living guts of anyone he damn well pleases, for any reason whatever--the person's race, religion, sex, or the way they part their hair. If someone else thinks that bigotry is wrong, he's free to condemn it--but the bigot is just as free to ignore the condemnation and go right on hating.

    We have due process of law here, and that means, among other things, that our laws punish only actions, not thoughts. There is no law that says anyone has to like anyone else or have anything to do with them. I'm sure that is anathema to leftists everywhere, who want to force everyone to do the things they think are kind, noble, and wonderful--or else. To hell with the bossy little prigs.

    Well, I may also hate the isis scum, but I would much more advocate them leaving on their own accord because we and their fellow muslims should make them realize that their is no place for jihadist violence in Europe.
    Suppose they don't want to leave. Maybe they think Europe is just the place for jihadist violence. Maybe they have plans to make it part of Allah's realm as soon as they outnumber the locals, and force them to do whatever they say. What will you do then, fall on your knees and plead with them to be nice to you? If you are counting on their fellow Muslims to talk sweet reason to them, you are fooling yourself.

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Really?

    And where are your statistics from an unbiased source to back up that claim?
    Apparently he is ready to support neo-Nazis just to help throw Muslims under the bus. Pure hypocrisy.

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Apparently he is ready to support neo-Nazis just to help throw Muslims under the bus. Pure hypocrisy.
    It is so sad how quickly fear turns to hate.

    Apparently, Mein Kampf is going back into reprint in Germany.

    Though I am for free speech, the timing seems to not be coincidental.

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Really?

    And where are your statistics from an unbiased source to back up that claim?
    So you want me to prove a negative? You and logic ain't the closest friends are you?
    If you believe that they are racist in their nature then you will prove it, until I see such proof I am not convinced that they are, period.
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Apparently he is ready to support neo-Nazis just to help throw Muslims under the bus. Pure hypocrisy.
    So they're neo-Nazis now? Seriously?
    And who talked about ordinary Muslims here?
    You constantly engage in strawmans to defend your agenda which goes to show how sickeningly illogical it is.
    If you can prove that they are racists then go ahead and do so, since you haven't I take it as an admittance that they aren't and your post as a pure and simple example of your usual lies.
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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It seems like there is no part of PEGIDA that doesn't have some racial element. There are its leaders:




    Who have espoused views such as these ones:

    Pegida leader resigns after photograph of him posing as Adolf Hitler emerges - Telegraph



    Then there are the people who support both PEGIDA and Golden Dawn:



    It's also important to mention that the reaction to PEGIDA has been pretty strong:

    Around 35,000 Germans rally in Dresden against racism and xenophobia | Reuters



    So with that said, do you believe PEGIDA is a racist movement pretending not to be? I made the choices Yes or No. This poll supposes that you actually know about these organizations.
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    There are many xenophobic groups like this in the USA.

    Mostly they claim that they're not racist - they just want to keep those who aren't White Christians out of the USA.

    Let's judge them by what they do, eh?

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    Re: Is PEGIDA a racist movement pretending not to be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    So they're neo-Nazis now? Seriously?
    And who talked about ordinary Muslims here?
    You constantly engage in strawmans to defend your agenda which goes to show how sickeningly illogical it is.
    If you can prove that they are racists then go ahead and do so, since you haven't I take it as an admittance that they aren't and your post as a pure and simple example of your usual lies.
    LOL you support a group with a leader who calls asylum seekers scumbags, stupid cows and trash and then made a self portrait of himself as Hitler- you do know what Hitler did to Jews right? Apparently you dont care. Perhaps you ought to go to your barber and get the same moustache since you admire PEGIDA so much.

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