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Did Obama save the dollar by taking western Ukraine from Russia? [W:41]

Did Obama save the dollar by taking western Ukraine from Russia?


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If the situation in Ukraine does not result in a military conflict between the U.S. and Russia, Obama will have successfully taken western Ukraine from Russian control. This combined with the crippling effects of the current sanctions that have been imposed against Russia, along with the huge decline in the price of oil means that Russia's Eurasian Union project has been stifled for a long time. The Eurasian project would have fused European and Russian resources into a formidable union that would rival the economic power of the U.S. and thus would have severely eroded though not entirely destroyed the power of the U.S. dollar. As such Obama may have saved the U.S. dollar.
 
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if the situation in ukraine does not result in a military conflict between the u.s. And russia, obama will have successfully taken western ukraine from russian control. This combined with the crippling effects of the current sanctions that have been imposed against russia, along with the huge decline in the price of oil means that russia's eurasian union project has been stifled for a long time. The eurasian project would have fused european and russian resources into a formidable union that would rival the economic power of the u.s. And thus would have severely eroded though not entirely destroyed the power of the u.s. Dollar. As such obama may have saved the u.s. Dollar.


lol !!
 
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Dang! You can't even so anything positive about the President of the United States without the haters raining on the parade. What kind of conservative is that who hates the President of the U.S. ?
 
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It's amazing. SO CALLED "conservatives" like to rag on how people they don't agree with never have anything positive to say about the U.S. But then when I say something positive about the President of the United States, they attack with their hate and venom. AMAZING!!!!
 
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I have a name for these so called "conservatives."

COIN

Conservative
Only
In
Name

They are envious haters in the who have taken the mantle of conservative to mask their hate, envy, and greed.
 
Re: Did Obama save the dollar by taking western Ukraine from Russia?

If the situation in Ukraine does not result in a military conflict between the U.S. and Russia, Obama will have successfully taken western Ukraine from Russian control. This combined with the crippling effects of the current sanctions that have been imposed against Russia, along with the huge decline in the price of oil means that Russia's Eurasian Union project has been stifled for a long time. The Eurasian project would have fused European and Russian resources into a formidable union that would rival the economic power of the U.S. and thus would have severely eroded though not entirely destroyed the power of the U.S. dollar. As such Obama may have saved the U.S. dollar.

Outside of the economic sanctions (which had no effect on Russia's decision to not completely take over Ukraine), what exactly did Pres. Obama do?? The economic sanctions have nothing to do with the dropping of the price of oil (that was done by the Saudi's to make shale oil too expensive to extract and get those wells shutdown, so that they could raise prices once again). Europe and Russia would have never joined forces in your pipe dream of the Eurasian project, since Russia isn't dumb enough to want to a part of the joke that is the EU. I know that you are an official cheerleader for the President ("GIVE ME AN 'O', GIVE ME A 'B'..."), but at lest TRY to maintain some level of integrity, since the OP is almost embarrassing to read.
 
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It's amazing. SO CALLED "conservatives" like to rag on how people they don't agree with never have anything positive to say about the U.S. But then when I say something positive about the President of the United States, they attack with their hate and venom. AMAZING!!!!

"lol' = "hate and venom" :roll: X 1000
 
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If the situation in Ukraine does not result in a military conflict between the U.S. and Russia, Obama will have successfully taken western Ukraine from Russian control. This combined with the crippling effects of the current sanctions that have been imposed against Russia, along with the huge decline in the price of oil means that Russia's Eurasian Union project has been stifled for a long time. The Eurasian project would have fused European and Russian resources into a formidable union that would rival the economic power of the U.S. and thus would have severely eroded though not entirely destroyed the power of the U.S. dollar. As such Obama may have saved the U.S. dollar.

What makes you think that no direct military conflict with Russia will secure Western Ukraine from Putin? I think the reaction you're getting in this thread (or lack thereof) is your viewpoint is so.....uh.... how can I put this without being overly critical or callous.........

"Out in left field" ???
 
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I think the reaction you're getting in this thread (or lack thereof) is your viewpoint is

"Out in left field" ???

I you believe that, that is very good, because quite frankly I think your viewpoint is so warped by ignorance, that your mind has things backwards. In other words, one should believe the opposite of what you say.

Anyone who thinks that reaction to a thread in this forum means truth needs to have their head examined.
 
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That was not very polite.

That's the way he feels. I did not take it as an insult.
 
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I have my doubts that a Russian takeover of Ukraine would have produced a political and economic heavyweight in Russia. Sanctions from the US and Western Europe would still have been in place, and oil prices still would have fallen, subsequently destroying the Russian economy. The US dollar is stronger today because the EU and Asia are suspect, and the US is the sounder option.
 
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It's amazing. SO CALLED "conservatives" like to rag on how people they don't agree with never have anything positive to say about the U.S. But then when I say something positive about the President of the United States, they attack with their hate and venom. AMAZING!!!!

Uh, MS. Only one person commented when you posted this. Don't mean to interrupt your rant, but really, one person? Kind of makes me wonder about who was prepared to attack, and who wasn't. :2razz:
 
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I you believe that, that is very good, because quite frankly I think your viewpoint is so warped by ignorance, that your mind has things backwards. In other words, one should believe the opposite of what you say.
I you does believe that because it's a fact. And please don't project your warped viewpoint based on ignorance to me when you have zero evidence your viewpoint is valid - in fact it's a hypothetical given your statement starts off badly with, "If the situation in Ukraine does not result in a military conflict between the U.S. and Russia, ...."

Well IF an asteroid doesn't hit the earth and kill all mankind..... and IF a solar explosion doesn't ravage the earth with electromagnetic energy..... and IF Putin doesn't drop dead tomorrow of a massive coronary..... the "IF's" are endless, but it's precious you will give Obama the credit. You do love that Obama kool-aide don't ya?

Anyone who thinks that reaction to a thread in this forum means truth needs to have their head examined.
Anyone who thinks this thread is at all based in reality needs to see a psychiatrist for their meds.
 
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Uh, MS. Only one person commented when you posted this. Don't mean to interrupt your rant, but really, one person? Kind of makes me wonder about who was prepared to attack, and who wasn't. :2razz:

I'm working this side of the street OK? :2razz:
 
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Anyone who thinks this thread is at all based in reality needs to see a psychiatrist for their meds.

Like I said folks, just believe the opposite.
 
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Like I said folks, just believe the opposite.

Faith can be a wonderful thing, but not when it's misplaced in Government.
 
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It's amazing. SO CALLED "conservatives" like to rag on how people they don't agree with never have anything positive to say about the U.S. But then when I say something positive about the President of the United States, they attack with their hate and venom. AMAZING!!!!

One the only HATE I see around here is that of the Obama socialists toward their enemies...

The absolute vile garbage those sewer dwelling slime have heaped on Sarah Palin is nothing compared to criticisms of what Obama does and says...jobs for terrorists is stupid - it is not hate.

Secondly, do you ever post a positive "truth" about Obama. His entire administration is based on lies and propaganda, he has accomplished NOTHING, he has saddled the nation with a health care plan the rest of the world is laughing while the world shakes its head wondering if he even knows he's in a war.

So if you get attacked when sticking up for your messiah, it may because we are all tired of the lame bull**** propping up this horrid administration.


People will start to respect you when you stop lying, not something Obama CAN do
 
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The list of countries Obama has saved from Russia is staggering. He's only lost a little less than half of one to Russia. Impressive.
 
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Ukraine had little to do with the US dollar.
 
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The Eurasian project would have fused European and Russian resources into a formidable union that would rival the economic power of the U.S. and thus would have severely eroded though not entirely destroyed the power of the U.S. dollar.
Putin's Eurasian Economic Union (EEC) was never intended to merge with the EU. It was intended to economically compete with the EU. This is why Putin considered it critical that Ukraine join his EEC rather than join the EU. His union of economic lightweights (Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia) cannot even pretend to compete with the 28 member EU without Ukraine.

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Ukraine, Moldova, and Georgia sign the EU Association Agreement in Brussels. June 27, 2014
 
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Faith can be a wonderful thing, but not when it's misplaced in Government.

Indeed, and I don't advise it.

That said, what I have put forward here is not as far fetched as you would have others to believe. What Putin was about to do with his Eurasian Union was link the natural resources of Russia with the economic resources of Europe. It would have formed a very formidable union that would, at the very least, rival the U.S. in economic power, and would have likely surpassed it. Although the dollar would have still been a force to be reckoned with, its power would have been substantially eroded. As I see it, Europe currently has strong dependencies on the U.S., namely economic and military. Economically speaking, European banks depend on the U.S. to bail them out in case of a liquidity crisis. This was demonstrated when in the crash of 2008, the Federal Reserve rescued the European banks from their liquidity crisis by letting European banks swap their sovereign currencies for U.S. dollars. If the Fed had not done so, the would have been doomed to failure. If Putin's vision where allowed to materialize, that dependency would be gone, and U.S. economic and political influence in Europe would have been severely eroded. The dollar, would have thus lost a significant portion of its power.

That is not a far fetched notion. Therefore, in a certain respect, Obama has likely saved the dollar.
 
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Indeed, and I don't advise it.
....Obama has likely saved the dollar.


:lamo

I'm guessing you don't see the issue but it's funny non the less!
 
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Simpleχity;1064364180 said:
Putin's Eurasian Economic Union (EEC) was never intended to merge with the EU.

I did not say merge with the EU. What I mean is that he wanted to link the natural resources of Russia with the economic resources of Europe. A glimpse of this can be seen in the relationship that Russia had with Germany. Germany exports its goods to Russia, Russia exports their energy to Germany. Putin wanted to take that to a new level. It is a very strong concept.
 
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Can we put this Obama accomplishment of saving the US Dollar up there with his Nobel Peace Prize?
 
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