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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Wrong. We never provided meaningful support to the moderates and they were supplanted by extremists affiliated with AQ. Your ego is writing checks your knowledge can't cash.
    Considering...
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    The Asad regime is a brutal dictatorship unworthy of support.
    what you just wrote, I think you're the last person to accuse anyone of being lacking in knowledge or and having an ego. Somebody in another thread claims that you've been around and know things but I'm starting to suspect that person was just your sockpuppet because I'm thoroughly convinced you've been in your mom's basement so long you've gone blind from the lack of sunlight. There's no way somebody like you, whom I'll be generous and say is naive at a level that is shocking for a functional adult, believes that the standards of whom is deserving of American support is based on how mean of a dictator they are.
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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Considering...

    what you just wrote, I think you're the last person to accuse anyone of being lacking in knowledge or and having an ego. Somebody in another thread claims that you've been around and know things but I'm starting to suspect that person was just your sockpuppet because I'm thoroughly convinced you've been in your mom's basement so long you've gone blind from the lack of sunlight. There's no way somebody like you, whom I'll be generous and say is naive at a level that is shocking for a functional adult, believes that the standards of whom is deserving of American support is based on how mean of a dictator they are.
    No. That is not what I posted. Asad has been brutal toward his own people to be sure, but he has also been the primary conduit of Iranian mischief in the Middle East, the primary channel of support to Hezbollah, and the author of instability in Lebanon and persistent threats to Israel. The end of the Asad regime would be a significant strategic gain for the US.
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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No. That is not what I posted. Asad has been brutal toward his own people to be sure, but he has also been the primary conduit of Iranian mischief in the Middle East, the primary channel of support to Hezbollah, and the author of instability in Lebanon and persistent threats to Israel. The end of the Asad regime would be a significant strategic gain for the US.
    You're right. Let's just get rid of Assad and not give any thought to who takes over afterwards. Al-Qaida, ISIS, the devil himself...let's just get rid of "mean people" so that power vaccuums can develop all over the middle east willy nilly.
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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    You're right. Let's just get rid of Assad and not give any thought to who takes over afterwards. Al-Qaida, ISIS, the devil himself...let's just get rid of "mean people" so that power vaccuums can develop all over the middle east willy nilly.
    Had we acted decisively in early 2012 we could have replaced the Asad regime with one roughly in the same spectrum space as the regime in Jordan. The power vacuum resulted from our failure to act. You're the only one mentioning "mean people." I don't use that kind of terminology when discussing leaders who operate in environments where the price of defeat is often death.
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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Remember last time we did this? That really came back to bite us in the ass.


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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but that's simply not true. Because they did not receive timely support they were stalemated and the extremists were given their opening.
    It is True JH. That came straight from commanders with the Free Syria Army. If you recall the Syrian Rebels decapitated a couple of people too.



    Syrian Rebels Accused of Decapitations by Rights Group
    Jun 27, 2013

    Militants fighting alongside Syrian rebel forces have beheaded two civilians with knives in front of onlookers including children, a pro-opposition group said.

    The Syrian civilians were accused of collaborating with President Bashar al-Assadís government, the Coventry, U.K.-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said on its Facebook page. The rebels, who spoke in classical Arabic with an accent, may have been Chechen, the Observatory said.

    Separately, a suicide bomber killed four and injured an unspecified number of people in the Christian neighborhood of Bab Touma close to Mariamiyah Cathedral in Damascus, Syrian State TV said today. Opposition groups said the explosion was caused by a mortar round, Al Arabiya Television reported......snip~


    Syrian Rebels Accused of Decapitations by Rights Group - Bloomberg Business

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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It is True JH. That came straight from commanders with the Free Syria Army. If you recall the Syrian Rebels decapitated a couple of people too.



    Syrian Rebels Accused of Decapitations by Rights Group
    Jun 27, 2013

    Militants fighting alongside Syrian rebel forces have beheaded two civilians with knives in front of onlookers including children, a pro-opposition group said.

    The Syrian civilians were accused of collaborating with President Bashar al-Assad’s government, the Coventry, U.K.-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said on its Facebook page. The rebels, who spoke in classical Arabic with an accent, may have been Chechen, the Observatory said.

    Separately, a suicide bomber killed four and injured an unspecified number of people in the Christian neighborhood of Bab Touma close to Mariamiyah Cathedral in Damascus, Syrian State TV said today. Opposition groups said the explosion was caused by a mortar round, Al Arabiya Television reported......snip~


    Syrian Rebels Accused of Decapitations by Rights Group - Bloomberg Business
    That is a year and half too late, long after the moderate secular rebels had been displaced by the religious fanatics. You actually made my point.
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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That is a year and half too late, long after the moderate secular rebels had been displaced by the religious fanatics. You actually made my point.

    Only those who were traitors to Assad and his people.....and only until they could get the Rebellion going. It was clear immediately the Secular Rebels were never going to control anything.


    Islamist Rebels Create Dilemma on Syria Policy

    In Syria’s largest city, Aleppo, rebels aligned with Al Qaeda control the power plant, run the bakeries and head a court that applies Islamic law. Elsewhere, they have seized government oil fields, put employees back to work and now profit from the crude they produce. Across Syria, rebel-held areas are dotted with Islamic courts staffed by lawyers and clerics, and by fighting brigades led by extremists. Even the Supreme Military Council, the umbrella rebel organization whose formation the West had hoped would sideline radical groups, is stocked with commanders who want to infuse Islamic law into a future Syrian government.

    Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of. More than two years of violence have radicalized the armed opposition fighting the government of President Bashar al-Assad, leaving few groups that both share the political vision of the United States and have the military might to push it forward. Among the most extreme groups is the notorious Al Nusra Front, the Qaeda-aligned force declared a terrorist organization by the United States, but other groups share aspects of its Islamist ideology in varying degrees.

    The Islamist character of the opposition reflects the main constituency of the rebellion, which has been led since its start by Syria’s Sunni Muslim majority, mostly in conservative, marginalized areas. The descent into brutal civil war has hardened sectarian differences, and the failure of more mainstream rebel groups to secure regular arms supplies has allowed Islamists to fill the void and win supporters. The religious agenda of the combatants sets them apart from many civilian activists, protesters and aid workers who had hoped the uprising would create a civil, democratic Syria. When the armed rebellion began, defectors from the government’s staunchly secular army formed the vanguard. The rebel movement has since grown to include fighters with a wide range of views, including Qaeda-aligned jihadis seeking to establish an Islamic emirate, political Islamists inspired by the Muslim Brotherhood and others who want an Islamic-influenced legal code like that found in many Arab states. Another prominent group, Ahrar al-Sham, shares much of Nusra’s extremist ideology but is made up mostly of Syrians.....snip~


    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/wo...anted=all&_r=1

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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Only those who were traitors to Assad and his people.....and only until they could get the Rebellion going. It was clear immediately the Secular Rebels were never going to control anything.


    Islamist Rebels Create Dilemma on Syria Policy

    In Syria’s largest city, Aleppo, rebels aligned with Al Qaeda control the power plant, run the bakeries and head a court that applies Islamic law. Elsewhere, they have seized government oil fields, put employees back to work and now profit from the crude they produce. Across Syria, rebel-held areas are dotted with Islamic courts staffed by lawyers and clerics, and by fighting brigades led by extremists. Even the Supreme Military Council, the umbrella rebel organization whose formation the West had hoped would sideline radical groups, is stocked with commanders who want to infuse Islamic law into a future Syrian government.

    Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of. More than two years of violence have radicalized the armed opposition fighting the government of President Bashar al-Assad, leaving few groups that both share the political vision of the United States and have the military might to push it forward. Among the most extreme groups is the notorious Al Nusra Front, the Qaeda-aligned force declared a terrorist organization by the United States, but other groups share aspects of its Islamist ideology in varying degrees.

    The Islamist character of the opposition reflects the main constituency of the rebellion, which has been led since its start by Syria’s Sunni Muslim majority, mostly in conservative, marginalized areas. The descent into brutal civil war has hardened sectarian differences, and the failure of more mainstream rebel groups to secure regular arms supplies has allowed Islamists to fill the void and win supporters. The religious agenda of the combatants sets them apart from many civilian activists, protesters and aid workers who had hoped the uprising would create a civil, democratic Syria. When the armed rebellion began, defectors from the government’s staunchly secular army formed the vanguard. The rebel movement has since grown to include fighters with a wide range of views, including Qaeda-aligned jihadis seeking to establish an Islamic emirate, political Islamists inspired by the Muslim Brotherhood and others who want an Islamic-influenced legal code like that found in many Arab states. Another prominent group, Ahrar al-Sham, shares much of Nusra’s extremist ideology but is made up mostly of Syrians.....snip~


    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/wo...anted=all&_r=1
    Again, your source is well over a year too late. In early 2012 the situation was much different. The "secular vanguard" did not get the support they needed.
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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Again, your source is well over a year too late. In early 2012 the situation was much different. The "secular vanguard" did not get the support they needed.
    Yes it is older JH but note what it states about the Islamist Character and this was back in 2013, but it points out what the Problems were all along and from their beginning. I'm not saying you aren't Right with the Secularists leading from those that betrayed Assad.



    The Islamist character of the opposition reflects the main constituency of the rebellion, which has been led since its start by Syria’s Sunni Muslim majority, mostly in conservative, marginalized areas. The descent into brutal civil war has hardened sectarian differences, and the failure of more mainstream rebel groups to secure regular arms supplies has allowed Islamists to fill the void and win supporters.

    The religious agenda of the combatants sets them apart from many civilian activists, protesters and aid workers who had hoped the uprising would create a civil, democratic Syria.....snip~ <<<<< Same NY Times link.

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