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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Many of the weapons and militants have joined up with IS. I presume it must be part of the plan, because our gov't has all the money and brainy people in the World working to solve/cause these problems for some geopolitical objective. The gist of the post is that in 2012 the Media was admitting we were arming Islamic Militants and then for several years after tries to deny/obfuscate that fact. Fer krissakes, these are news reporters, not amateurs. When you are being fed lies, they are part of an agenda. The fact that the lies come from the MSM should make one pause. Can the MSM be trusted on anything? I think not.

    I know as I was tearing them for the terminology they were using. Islamic Militant or the common criminal, gunmen. Reporting even AQ or Ansar al Sharia as Militants and or gunmen. It was ridiculous. But at least they can't go back and remove Islamic Militants from all their articles.

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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Watcha think DF. Here is when Team BO recognized the Syrian Opposition as a foreign mission. Oh, and BO Peep threw them an extra 27mil.




    U.S. recognizes Syria opposition offices as 'foreign mission'.....


    The United States said on Monday it would recognize the main opposition Syrian National Coalition offices as a diplomatic foreign mission and announced plans for a $27 million increase in non-lethal assistance to rebels fighting to oust President Bashar al-Assad. The announcement came at the start of a visit to Washington by a Syrian opposition delegation led by Ahmad Jarba, president of the coalition, also known as the Syrian Opposition Coalition. He is set to meet U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Thursday.

    Syrian government forces have made gains on the battlefield and Damascus has announced a presidential election for June 3, expected to be won by Assad. Washington has said the elections are not credible and U.S. officials have denounced them as "phony." State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf said the representative offices of the coalition would now be considered a "foreign mission" under U.S. law.

    She said it was another move aimed at formalizing the relationship between Washington and the coalition, which until now has been represented by liaison offices in Washington and New York.....snip~

    U.S. recognizes Syria opposition offices as 'foreign mission'


    Marie Harf......huh?

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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    President Obama extends national emergency with respect to the actions of Syria declared in Executive Order 13338.....
    On May 7, 2014 the SPEAKER pro tempore laid before the House of Representatives the following message from the President of the United States; which was read and, together with the accompanying papers, referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs and ordered to be printed:

    To The Congress of the United States:

    Section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act, 50 U.S.C. 1622(d), provides for the automatic termination of a national emergency, unless, within 90 days prior to the anniversary date of its declaration, the President publishes in the Federal Register and transmits to the Congress a notice stating that the emergency is to continue in effect beyond the anniversary date. In accordance with this provision, I have sent to the Federal Register for publication the enclosed notice stating that the national emergency with respect to the actions of the Government of Syria declared in Executive Order 13338 of May 11, 2004–as modified in scope and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13399 of April 25, 2006, Executive Order 13460 of February 13, 2008, Executive Order 13572 of April 29, 2011, Executive Order 13573 of May 18, 2011, Executive Order 13582 of August 17, 2011, Executive Order 13606 of April 22, 2012, and Executive Order 13608 of May 1, 2012–is to continue in effect beyond May 11, 2014.....snip~

    President Obama extends national emergency with respect to the actions of Syria declared in Executive Order 13338 | News, US | GroundReport.com – Latest World News & Opinions


    Found it.

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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    President Obama extends national emergency with respect to the actions of Syria declared in Executive Order 13338.....
    On May 7, 2014 the SPEAKER pro tempore laid before the House of Representatives the following message from the President of the United States; which was read and, together with the accompanying papers, referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs and ordered to be printed:

    To The Congress of the United States:

    Section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act, 50 U.S.C. 1622(d), provides for the automatic termination of a national emergency, unless, within 90 days prior to the anniversary date of its declaration, the President publishes in the Federal Register and transmits to the Congress a notice stating that the emergency is to continue in effect beyond the anniversary date. In accordance with this provision, I have sent to the Federal Register for publication the enclosed notice stating that the national emergency with respect to the actions of the Government of Syria declared in Executive Order 13338 of May 11, 2004–as modified in scope and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13399 of April 25, 2006, Executive Order 13460 of February 13, 2008, Executive Order 13572 of April 29, 2011, Executive Order 13573 of May 18, 2011, Executive Order 13582 of August 17, 2011, Executive Order 13606 of April 22, 2012, and Executive Order 13608 of May 1, 2012–is to continue in effect beyond May 11, 2014.....snip~

    President Obama extends national emergency with respect to the actions of Syria declared in Executive Order 13338 | News, US | GroundReport.com – Latest World News & Opinions


    Found it.
    Of course this is 2 1/2 years since we started arming and funding the Islamic rebels. All I can do is keep repeating "perception management and the CIA" until people wake up and realize they are being bamboozled on a daily basis. The truth was accidently slipped through in 2012 and for the next few years contradictory articles appear to adjust the perception. That would be "perception management." It is not accidental.

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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Of course this is 2 1/2 years since we started arming and funding the Islamic rebels. All I can do is keep repeating "perception management and the CIA" until people wake up and realize they are being bamboozled on a daily basis. The truth was accidently slipped through in 2012 and for the next few years contradictory articles appear to adjust the perception. That would be "perception management." It is not accidental.
    No its not accidental.....but who do you think it the cause for the change in terminology? Wasn't the old school reporters and journalists. So Who does that leave? Who is all about changing terminology and going all PC like?

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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    No its not accidental.....but who do you think it the cause for the change in terminology? Wasn't the old school reporters and journalists. So Who does that leave? Who is all about changing terminology and going all PC like?
    It means that some faction of the government has gained control of the "Editorial review" policy in the major media (MSM). In 1977 the Church Committee found 400 CIA assets and agents operating in USA media. That was the tip of the iceberg. It will have expanded exponentially since then because of bigger budgets and a more organized method. A lot of the groundwork was laid after 9-11 through the Patriot Act and has grown like a cancer. The bullcrap, misinformation, lies, stenographers posing as news reporters(Judith Miller, Brown, etal), built the system that substitutes for news today. Damn shame.

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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It means that some faction of the government has gained control of the "Editorial review" policy in the major media (MSM). In 1977 the Church Committee found 400 CIA assets and agents operating in USA media. That was the tip of the iceberg. It will have expanded exponentially since then because of bigger budgets and a more organized method. A lot of the groundwork was laid after 9-11 through the Patriot Act and has grown like a cancer. The bullcrap, misinformation, lies, stenographers posing as news reporters(Judith Miller, Brown, etal), built the system that substitutes for news today. Damn shame.


    Well, BO and his Team want to still arm the Rebels.....so to does the Neo Cons and Johnny Quest McCain. Yet they haven't heard our Military and Intel people. Plus others report that the Syrian Rebels are finished.

    Most of them have joined ISIS. Most of them wanted Shariah Law anyways.

    BO sent them 600 Mil twice. Its a waste of money and our time.

    This here.....is all the Saud and the Sunnis play. They are the ones that want the Shia Assad gone. They wanted us to do their dirty work for them. Since they are incapable of taking out Assad by themselves. Despite the Sunni outnumbering them 100 to one.

    The Saud thought they would get the same play they did with getting rid of Gadhafi and was hoping Libya would be handed to the Sunni. Which would be Sunni Berbers that are willing to bow and kiss the Sauds ass. As all others are against the Saud or any Arabs ruling over them.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...g-syria-6.html
    Last edited by MMC; 02-26-15 at 04:18 PM.

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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Oh btw.....should we give weapons to the Syrian Rebels/Terrorists and train them. Hell No!!!!!



    Tragic Setbacks for U.S. Allies in Iraq and Syria.....


    Western Iraq saw more brutal bloodshed this weekend after the Islamic State massacred 322 people of the Albu Nimr tribe, a Sunni group, including women and children. The Iraqi government confirmed the attack in the Anbar region, which began on Saturday and continued into Sunday, and was described as "systematic killings." Beyond the lives lost, the success of these "systematic killings" will have a long-term impact on the struggle between ISIS and the Iraqi government. "The fall of the village dampened the Shi'ite-led national government's hopes the Sunni tribesmen of Anbar—who once helped U.S. Marines defeat al Qaeda—would become a formidable force again and help the army take on Iraq's new, far more effective enemy," noted Reuters's Michael Georgy.

    In Syria, the United States faced another setback in its battle against terrorist groups, when weapons distributed to anti-government rebels ended up in the hands of an al-Qaeda splinter group, Jabhat al-Nusra. The weapons provided by the United States included GRAD rockets and TOW anti-tank missiles. It is unclear if the moderate rebels who had been trained by the United States surrendered or defected to the terrorist group. The Independent reported that a U.S.-backed rebel group, Harakat Hazm, surrendered on Saturday night "without firing a shot" after al-Nusra attacked the villages it controlled. Some soldiers apparently defected, and the Syrian Revolutionary Front, another group receiving U.S. support, was driven from its strongholds.....snip~

    Tragic Setbacks for U.S. Allies in Iraq and Syria

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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Is it because it can't be blamed on Bush that it must be denied at all cost?
    Are you insinuating the mainstream press means to suppress the failures of the Obama administration's arming of "moderate" Syrian rebels because it can't be deflected as a product of the Bush administration, that there is a media conspiracy afoot against Bush and the general Republican base?

    This sounds like something I'd hear from a conservative political "analyst" raving on some right wing haven of a news website.

    It's very colorful, I'll give you that.
    "We have more responsibility than power, I think. The newspaper can create great controversies, stir up arguments within the community or discussion, can throw light on injustices....just as it can do the opposite. It can hide things and be a great power for evil." -- Rupert Murdoch, 1968

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    Re: US Backing for 'Moderate' Syrian Rebels: Long Reported, Continually Forgotten

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Are you insinuating the mainstream press means to suppress the failures of the Obama administration's arming of "moderate" Syrian rebels because it can't be deflected as a product of the Bush administration, that there is a media conspiracy afoot against Bush and the general Republican base?

    This sounds like something I'd hear from a conservative political "analyst" raving on some right wing haven of a news website.

    It's very colorful, I'll give you that.
    I mean to say that mainstream press in America is business, and has been allowed to extend its tentacles into all manor of things, including the defense industry, and as such does poorly at adequately covering events during both democratic and republican administrations, that wouldn't be in their economic interests! This needs to change. Something Hillary Clinton was right about when she testified before congress that US MSM is fluff, lacking substance, and was no longer of real value or informative like international news media. That we need more information, but unfortunately the US MSM was loosing the information war against international media.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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