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Thread: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    So, if Nazi Germany had won the war, would their treatment of the Jews and other “undesirables” have been fully justified?

    Was the Holocaust evil, or wasn't it? I think this is a simple, objective question, with a solid, one-word answer. Yet you seem unable or unwilling to answer it.
    Depends on who you ask. If you asked the Nazis, then they'd likely say yes. It isn't a question that can be answered in a single word. The real world is nuanced. Deal with it.
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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    No, evil and selfishness aren't bound to one political ideology. But conservatism, as defined in modern day America, is not selfish. Those who embrace it expect to do whatever they have to do that is honorable and ethical to provide for their own needs and be a benefit to society instead of a burden. And it promotes a society that expects and enables others to do the same. I think that concept FEELS selfish to the typical liberal.
    Some conservatives are honorable. Some are not. It extends beyond ideology.

    At it's root, conservative ideology simply espouses the ideals of personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense.

    At their core, none of those beliefs are inherently good nor evil. What makes them such is the motivation behind the beliefs, and that differs from person to person.

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Examples of appropriate situations?
    In most negotiations like the Cuba crisis you will find partial but therein total lack of compromise must be present in order to find a stable solution. The whole structure of MAD was based on and required uncompromising "you or us" to the point of believable total annihilation to work.

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    In most negotiations like the Cuba crisis you will find partial but therein total lack of compromise must be present in order to find a stable solution. The whole structure of MAD was based on and required uncompromising "you or us" to the point of believable total annihilation to work.
    I see what you mean about the latter, but I totally fail to see what you mean by the former. Perhaps you could explain further.

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I see what you mean about the latter, but I totally fail to see what you mean by the former. Perhaps you could explain further.
    Actually it is a similar question ie only slightly differently set. In the Cuba Crisis the basic problem for the US was the proximity of nuclear rockets to the US mainland. This, it was feared, would reduce the stability of MAD and increase the number of paths to and the probability of atomic war. In order to prevent this, compromise was not possible and this was demonstrated by implementing a blockade, which is generally considered an act of war. That is very much uncompromised "you or us" stuff.

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Actually it is a similar question ie only slightly differently set. In the Cuba Crisis the basic problem for the US was the proximity of nuclear rockets to the US mainland. This, it was feared, would reduce the stability of MAD and increase the number of paths to and the probability of atomic war. In order to prevent this, compromise was not possible and this was demonstrated by implementing a blockade, which is generally considered an act of war. That is very much uncompromised "you or us" stuff.
    Oh, you mean the Cuban missile crisis back in 1962. Actually compromise allowed to situation to be solved in that case, at least as I recall. I need to go back and look at it, but I think that both sides found a face saving way to resolve the crisis. I think that although it was not publicly announced, the U.S. agreed to remove some missiles elsewhere or something like that, in return for Russia removing their missiles.

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Oh, you mean the Cuban missile crisis back in 1962. Actually compromise allowed to situation to be solved in that case, at least as I recall. I need to go back and look at it, but I think that both sides found a face saving way to resolve the crisis. I think that although it was not publicly announced, the U.S. agreed to remove some missiles elsewhere or something like that, in return for Russia removing their missiles.
    That is true. The US removed missiles from Turkey soon afterwards in a deal. And face saving is much more important to stability and security than often given credit for.

    But the point I wanted to make was that to achieve the solution of no nukes on Cuba and maintain the MAD parameters it was necessary to go head on against the other party in what was a relatively high risk confrontation.

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That is true. The US removed missiles from Turkey soon afterwards in a deal. And face saving is much more important to stability and security than often given credit for.

    But the point I wanted to make was that to achieve the solution of no nukes on Cuba and maintain the MAD parameters it was necessary to go head on against the other party in what was a relatively high risk confrontation.
    Well, any confrontation will involved going head on against the opposition. The point is this, it was resolved through an agreement that benefited both sides instead of a one way my way or the highway solution. My way or the highway is you are either with me or against me.

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well, any confrontation will involved going head on against the opposition. The point is this, it was resolved through an agreement that benefited both sides instead of a one way my way or the highway solution. My way or the highway is you are either with me or against me.
    Okay. I see what you mean.

    I would want to venture that the blockade ie the declaration of war was of the "you or me" kind. After that it was possible to discuss a deal of mutual benefit. It was in fact this type of showdown that demonstrated the amount of resolve and willingness to fight that was behind those 50 years of albeit nervous peace.

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