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Thread: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    What causes that? The obviously intentional skewing of polls. I've seen it happen in several lately.
    Someone with an axe to grind against this site, I would imagine. Annoying.

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    No there is a difference between being selfish and being evil. There is nothing wrong with looking to ones own interests and benefitting ourselves so long as it is done honorably and ethically. True conservatism as it is defined in modern day America strongly promotes that knowing that it ultimately is to the better benefit of all, even those who don't like it. Selfishness is unwillingness to share with others who are as deserving but sometimes it is necessary in order to achieve a higher goal. Evil is knowingly doing them harm simply because you want to harm them and/or for (the generic) your own benefit and there is rarely justification for that.
    I define selfishness as putting one's own needs above everyone else's.

    "I need to have my birth control paid for by the state and you (rich people/taxpayers/whatever) can foot the bill" is selfish. In that way, progressives are selfish and evil.

    "I will not give one dime of my hard earned money so that some immigrant kid can get an education" is selfish. In that way, conservatives are selfish and evil.

    Evil and selfishness aren't bound to one political ideology.

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    I disagree with conservatives on just about every issue imaginable, but I do not think they are evil.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I disagree that conservatism is inherently selfish.

    I also disagree that selfishness and evil are two different things. Ego is the root of all evil.
    Well first of all I don't think selfishness is necessarily a bad thing.

    Secondly I think that human nature is inherently selfish, we are driven to do what is best for ourselves. So to me, your statement suggests that human nature is inherently evil. I don't think that's true.
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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I define selfishness as putting one's own needs above everyone else's.

    "I need to have my birth control paid for by the state and you (rich people/taxpayers/whatever) can foot the bill" is selfish. In that way, progressives are selfish and evil.

    "I will not give one dime of my hard earned money so that some immigrant kid can get an education" is selfish. In that way, conservatives are selfish and evil.

    Evil and selfishness aren't bound to one political ideology.
    And if I, a male progressive (i.e. won't be using birth control anytime soon) think that birth control should be paid by the state, is that selfish and/or evil?
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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I think you make a real good point here to polarization in America.

    A pair of surveys asked Americans a concrete question: in 1960, whether they would be “displeased” if their child married someone outside their political party, and, in 2010, would be “upset” if their child married someone of the other party. In 1960, about 5 percent of Americans expressed a negative reaction to party intermarriage; in 2010, about 40 percent did (Republicans about 50 percent, Democrats about 30 percent).
    At that time the parties were not divided by ideological lines. There were liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats. Party affiliation did not indicate indicate ideology unless you factored in geographical differences, That probably accounts for the change in responses.

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I define selfishness as putting one's own needs above everyone else's.

    "I need to have my birth control paid for by the state and you (rich people/taxpayers/whatever) can foot the bill" is selfish. In that way, progressives are selfish and evil.

    "I will not give one dime of my hard earned money so that some immigrant kid can get an education" is selfish. In that way, conservatives are selfish and evil.

    Evil and selfishness aren't bound to one political ideology.
    The actual liberal/progressive position is "Low income people need access to birth control that they can afford so they can plan their families and their lives more effectively, which will reduce their need for assistance in the future."

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Someone with an axe to grind against this site, I would imagine. Annoying.
    Who ever it is, is extremely liberal

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Would you say some NAZIs were good NAZIs?

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    Re: Liberals and Conservatives: Are adherents of the rival ideology evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Well first of all I don't think selfishness is necessarily a bad thing.

    Secondly I think that human nature is inherently selfish, we are driven to do what is best for ourselves. So to me, your statement suggests that human nature is inherently evil. I don't think that's true.
    A lot of human nature is inherently evil. A big part of being a good, moral person is learning to use the rational part of one's brain to override impulses.

    For example, a married person might look at another woman and desire her, but a good man controls his impulses and goes home to his wife.

    A person cuts you off in traffic, the impulse might be to get out of your car and smash the hood of his car. A good man learns to control his temper.

    In fact, this has a basis in psychology. The use of the rational part of the brain to override base impulses is called "executive function," and psychologists consider it part of the makeup of an intelligent and well-functioning human being.

    If you prefer Freud, morality is moving from being id-based to ego, and ultimately superego.

    If you prefer Skinner, morality is a set of learned behaviors that are socially acceptable.

    If you prefer Maslow, it's about moving from physiological needs to safety, then to social needs, then to self-esteem needs, and finally, the ultimate goal of any human being is self-actualization where one becomes selfless in nature.

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